I also just asked for you to provide examples of satire in the present seasons? You're saying they're present I'm just asking for some proof.I honestly don't think it's up to generally the same "level," (and I never really said that) but I feel all the elements are still present. I still feel it has the same sense of basic comedic techniques. It shouldn't be trashed like it is today.
I've been a fan of the Simpsons since I was about 3 years old. I'm 24, so you can say I literally grew up with the show since it began. A lot of things have come to mind when defending our favorite animated yellow family.
I STILL think the Simpsons has maintained the same sense of timing, misdirection, wit, and satire it has proven to have 20 years ago. I constantly find myself laughing out loud and appreciating the jokes for not being cheap or in vain.
I honestly don't think it's up to generally the same "level," (and I never really said that) but I feel all the elements are still present. I still feel it has the same sense of basic comedic techniques. It shouldn't be trashed like it is today.
Yes, that's EXACTLY what I'm saying.
The Banksy thing was so pointless. They don't even animate in Korea anymore, lol.
As for the Steve Mobs bit, look at how they make fun of the Mapple users. Bart has to directly explain how pathetic they are, whereas the older seasons would show, not tell. A good example would be Troy McClure selling that juicer on TV. "One bag of oranges produced THAT much orange juice?" You didn't have Bart call in and say, "Your products don't even work properly and you're all losers who have to buy things over the phone because blah blah blah..".
I'm so tired, but I hope I explained that well enough.
I'm actually happy with the responses to my post. I'm glad I found this forum! Smart, opinionated fans that aren't afraid to explain themselves instead of just saying "LOL SIMPSONS SUCKS!"
If I have to add one more thing, it's that although some people might defend the show due to "nostalgia," I see it more as context. MAYBE for me, the newer episodes mean almost as much because of context of the Jean/Reiss era I remember the most vividly. I still REALLY care about these characters despite some evolving into some awkward iterations.
pretty sure they still do
Seriously? I thought that ever since HD, it was all done with computers now, in studio ala South Park. Tried googling but all the articles saying so were pre-HD or Banksy related. I'll just take your word for it.
I don't see myself as much of a Simpsons fan but I have watched all of the episode in order at least once, so I have a somewhat working knowledge of how The Simpsons works. (in terms of humor, plot, character, satire.) I admit... The internet does seem to copy whatever is cool and does seem to be a bit "trend-of-the-month" is but I don't think it's even remotely cool.This seems to ring true in my personal experience, polling many an internet community. It almost seems like it's "cool' to just say you're a classic Simpsons fan, when, most of the time, have no real working knowledge or any fandom of the first couple of seasons.
I have a really good working knowledge of pop culture and what's funny and what's not; Flight of the Conchords is going to fly over a lot of the heads because honestly, who's even heard of Flight of the Chonchords anymore... That and I can't think of any joke that went over my head; in fact I think of the opposite because the jokes, the punchlines, and the setup are all clearly set up so that some 12-year-old can get it and laugh at it. I mean who needs subtly when you can just blurt it out in front of your face. The older-season jokes do have much more jokes that tend to go over people's heads then the later season. Remember, The Simpsons was known for incorporating bits of fancy work and old-forgotten movies into their episodes, so obscure that you couldn't pinpoint the source yourself. (unless you knew old movies well.) You'd have to use Google to look up what the hell you said...I'm pretty sure someone isn't going to appreciate Brett and Jemaine from Flight of the Conchords singing and dancing in one of the episodes last season, but I'm pretty sure some 12-year-old casual viewer has no idea who the hell they are now. If the core audience has remained aimed at college viewers to men in their late 30s, I'm sure it creates some sort of gap where satire and any hint of comedy is lost due to maintaining relevance. I say this out of respect, but have any of you, young and old, considered the show hasn't gotten "dumber," but rather jokes just go over your heads?
Well Family Guy was "fresh" but I guess the writers have no idea what made Family Guy good anymore... I mean just look at it's initial run on [adult swim], it got tons of support and that support lead to it's renewal which ultimately led to the anti-McFarline stance we have today. (Due to his success of course.) I do agree that "edge" is overused but it's still an element. I mean look at Saturday Night Live, most of that show is "edge" and it has managed a following that still exists; even though the most recent SNL's have been disappointing. Your definition of "edge" may be appalling but again, it's needed.People who say Family Guy is more clever or "fresh" don't realize what exactly makes good comedy. Remaining "edgy" should NEVER be an element when trying to bank on comedy viewers. Having characters that people care about, sympathize with, and want to see grow is what makes the outburst of moronic diatribe from Homer all the worth while.
Comedy has changed over the years, and while it seems dropping pop culture references every 10 seconds in an irrelevant manner, or trying to constantly cross "the line" has become the status quo in mainstream comedic television, it doesn't make it "smart" or "witty."
I commend you for your opinion (as well as D'ohmer's and Rasberry's.) but I have to diagree. The timing, misdriection, wit, satire... It's not there; most of the satire I've witnessed is simple, the wit is not there (since when has any joke been witty, explain one...) and what is misdirection???I STILL think the Simpsons has maintained the same sense of timing, misdirection, wit, and satire it has proven to have 20 years ago.
I can list 100 jokes that are cheap, vain and just plain stupid. Again, I agree that humor is different for everybody but 30-minute time wasting entertainment should not be confused with memorability and quality.I constantly find myself laughing out loud and appreciating the jokes for not being cheap or in vain.
I commend you for your opinion (as well as D'ohmer's and Rasberry's.) but I have to diagree. The timing, misdriection, wit, satire... It's not there; most of the satire I've witnessed is simple, the wit is not there (since when has any joke been witty, explain one...) and what is misdirection???
The "It's better then anything else on TV" argument has become older then sin. I mean I've watched all of the recent shows on the broadcast networks as well as some cable networks and while some of them may be bland, they're certainly not terrible enough to make The Simpsons looks good. And really, all we want is a quality, memorable and entertaining product that we expect. I mean I don't want to watch an episode only for me to not remember it days later. It's like watching Leno, you hear him making jokes, you hear him laughing but you can't remember jack shit about him, same goes for The Simpsons.But when I flip through the tv and watch all these other shows, I think "how can people honestly feel the current Simpsons are so bad?" It has always, in my opinion, offered so much more than most other shows on t.v. And even at times when it failed, I felt like there is something going on there that I just didn't get. And I appreciate the art behind that.
Have you ever watched an episode that you thought sucked and someone you know loved it or vice versa? I think that is a big sign of versatility. A versatility that sometimes takes the show to places where most people can't really grasp it all...
So a couple of years from now, stuff we complained about during the 20th season will be seen as perfect... I wonder if the same could be same for the 17th, 18th and 19th season?Also, I remember certainly huge Simpsons fans complaing about things back in 4th or 5th season, things that are worshipped now as being perfect.
That's because they're young, they don't know what's good or bad and they're more suspectable to like things that appear on the screen then they are older people, like much of the ones on the forum.There are definitely things that I don't enjoy as much anymore. But I notice when I have watched newer episodes with neices, nephews and people much younger than me, there is a freshness there that they get out of it, that I don't get after watching for 23 years. And the show is reaching out with different things that don't necessarily appeal to me in my current lifestyle.
There are some good comedy shows though. "30 Rock", "It's Always Sunny", "South Park", "Raising Hope", "The Middle", "Modern Family", "2 Broke Girls". I mean it's not all terrible and bland, there are some gems in there...
So a couple of years from now, stuff we complained about during the 20th season will be seen as perfect... I wonder if the same could be same for the 17th, 18th and 19th season?
That's because they're young, they don't know what's good or bad and they're more suspectable to like things that appear on the screen then they are older people, like much of the ones on the forum.