The Venture Bros.

It was a very different episode than last week's. I liked this week's better actually. Last week's episode was top shelf comedy of course, but this played more into the narrative of it all. Need more Revenge Society. It's also nice to see Dean not suck.
 
"Who disfigured you for life and helped girl Hitler steal your throne? Who seduced your wife and then passed her along to his brother for sloppy seconds?"

Anyone observe how, beyond wielding ruthless authority over his subjects, Underbheit isn't really that diabolical?
 
"Who disfigured you for life and helped girl Hitler steal your throne? Who seduced your wife and then passed her along to his brother for sloppy seconds?"

Anyone observe how, beyond wielding ruthless authority over his subjects, Underbheit isn't really that diabolical?

Yeah he's more just spoiled and bitter.
 
surprised they brought him back to the forefront. seemed like they always sorta hating writing for him.
 
Yeah, I'm guessing that's WHY they brought him back. "Surely... surely we can do something with him."

I like it.
 
Yeah, I've been wondering about since "Pinstripes & Poltergeists".

I remember seeing a picture of all the walking dead Hanks and Deans and got excited because I figured that there would be an episode where all the dead Venture twins come back as zombies. But Venture's mind being haunted by zombie Hanks and Deans is more creative, and still pretty cool. The whole portrayal of Rusty's mind in the episode was pretty interesting in general. Plus, I seriously want Thanatos-Pete's outfit.:cool:

(Rusty's Id is apparently a Pete/Billy slash fanboy. Make of that what you will.)
 
God I loved this episode. It was hilarious. The way Rusty spoke when he was in little kid form just cracked me up. I also loved how Brock only gave Sgt. Hatred one Skittle. And a yellow one to boot. God that was funny.

Just sucks that we have like a month until the next ep though.
 
Just sucks that we have like a month until the next ep though.
There's still one more episode this Sunday, actually. After that, yeah, we'll have to wait a month for the finale. But it'll be worth it.

Anyway, great episode. As with Everybody Comes To Hank's, Doc Hammer always pens my favorites.
 
the ending was definitely a little too much of a quick fix, but that was still a pretty good episode. much better than last weeks. I laughed so hard at "One. a single skittle?" and I really want to see how the 21/ Dr. Girlfriend thing plays out.
 
You know what? It sucked. Worst episode of the season. Granted, this still makes it better than anything on TV, but now that I've thought about it I don't like this ep. It goes nowhere. I appreciate the Brock/Hatred comedy and how White and Billy are once again used to portray fictitious figures but it just... it doesn't do anything. The Brock/Hatred angle is literally just a series of gags. The 21/Girlfriend scenes were cute but I didn't laugh a whole lot. And the Orpheus plot was literally the worst Venture blueballs of the series. Worse than Brock/21 vs. Monstroso.

Still good but I could live without it. Need more time devoted to Monarch and Orpheus. The Rusty scenes were great though. Again this was all well written, I just didn't see the point.
 
I think you're setting your expectations too high. There are going to be episodes like this, where character development and exploration are the focus, in this case 21/Dr. Mrs. The Monarch and Hatred/Brock as well as the deeper sorrows of Dr. Venture. It doesn't peak in "Everybody comes to Hank's" territory, but it's more important to the plot structure of the season. And it's still pretty funny.

The Rusty Id was my favorite.

"The Rusty met Lindsay Wagner at a party. She was totally into the Rusty. Witty banter was shared. But the Rusty did not seal the deal. This was because the Rusty was tired. Only because of this!"

"And there shall be laughing and mirth, and also ass grabbing."
 
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I think you're setting your expectations too high. There are going to be episodes like this, where character development and exploration are the focus, in this case 21/Dr. Mrs. The Monarch and Hatred/Brock as well as the deeper sorrows of Dr. Venture. It doesn't peak in "Everybody comes to Hank's" territory, but it's more important to the plot structure of the season. And it's still pretty funny.

The Rusty Id was my favorite.

"The Rusty met Lindsay Wagner at a party. She was totally into the Rusty. Witty banter was shared. But the Rusty did not seal the deal. This was because the Rusty was tired. Only because of this!"

"And there shall be laughing and mirth, and also ass grabbing."

Nono. When shows get batches of 20-something episodes to a season, I expect clunkers. A half season of 8 episodes that have been cooking for well voer a year should have each episode utterly refined. If not, why even bother putting it on? Why waste one of the few airings you get with sub-par?

That's the problem with Hammer's writing lately, though. He likes to write these Tarantino-esque dialog scenes which are GOOD. But this past season they've been failing at pacing it for 22 minutes and things of interest get shoved to the back to hear more asinine pop culture references. There was literally no conclusion to this ep. Things just happened. And then more things happened. And then they stopped happening. I know Hammer's shtick is to not get into the absolute minutiae of explanations, that's Hammer's thing, but this was so vague it was irksome.

Everything they do is good. They just need to get back to better editing. I'd ask for this to be an hour long show but seasons would take 3 years to make then. Though that's what I really want. I want the 70's and 80's nostalgia wanking in addition to the goofy over the top superheroics and adventuring. Most of the time (as in 99%) there's coherence. Everybody Comes to Hank's is a prime example of this and of how great Hammer material can be. But there was none here and it suffered. They tried to stuff too much into it. The Brock/Hatred thing should have been cut entirely. If not entirely, then toned down thoroughly. Shoreleave had no business clogging up this episode.
 
Hunter would have been a much more interesting piece if they really wanted to keep the same amount of material. I much would have rather heard him yelling at Dean to get out of their own infield.

To be honest... he kind of needs his own spin-off.
 
I dunno J, I just really enjoyed the episode, but I can certainly see where you're coming from about the guys using up a precious entire episode to do basically a gag-fest rather than further the story. But I guess I don't think about that stuff while I'm watching it. I live for the moment, I guess.
 
Did it not bother you that Rusty and Monarch's condition just magically becomes a non issue? They bothered with all of this crap and the solution is "Well! It's fixed. Guess we don't have to worry about that now." I like to enjoy the moments too but that was really, really distracting.
 
Kind of a deus ex machina, yeah. But it didn't bug me all that much honestly. The rest of the episode was so great that a little cheap moment like that wasn't bad enough to ruin it.
 
It wans't ruined. Not to the point I wouldn't watch it again but... Dude, that's the thing. There wasn't even a deus ex machina. It just ... stopped. I don't know. A deus ex machina would have been fine, even. A deus ex machina would require some kind of explanation, but there was none to be had.

Fucking Shoreleave. It was cute the first few times but he's as one-note as Underbheit.
 
I dunno, if there's any one overarching flaw in the writing, it's that it's sometimes too clever for its own good, demanding more than one or two viewings (and some research) to fully process subtle, yet crucial details in the plot and accompanying pop-culture references. Take this episode for example: At the risk of sounding like a latter Simpsons era apologist here, I'd argue that the real objective of going through Rusty's psyche from a character development viewpoint was to give hope to/excite his ego, release his superego and get him to confront and deal with his guilt issues concerning Hank and Dean, not necessarily to get rid of the Monarch, who's really just there to push buttons and set up the situation. By the time the tragic memory ducts are mentioned, the ep is pretty much done.

It remains to be seen whether all that will yield permanent dividends, or Dr. Venture's attitude at the end was some one-off thing, but either way, it's hardly the "string of gags" episode you make it out to be. I don't think there's a pacing issue, either; the show has always used the post credits scenes as a safety valve for excess information, and there's substantial filler material that was left in this one.

But yeah, Shoreleave... not his best outing. He's great is small doses, very small doses.
 
It was an interesting but disorienting episode. Not sure I'm into the Dr. Girlfriend/21 stuff. Sort of just liked it when he was pining and she didn't give a shit. It was certainly "OH MAH GOD OH NO THEY DI'IN'T!" at the time, but I don't like love triangle stuff so hopefully it fizzes out. This whole episode seemed to be specifically about getting those two to interact anyway, and not REALLY about anything to do with Rusty's mind, so the other stuff just seemed more filler than usual. At least with something like "Dr. Quymn..." there's an injection of back story to beef up the ep. Solution was rather abrupt but there were certainly funny moments. Just wasn't feeling this episode as much as all the past eps. Probably my "least" fave of the season, taking the place of Butterglider now. The portrayal of Rusty's mind was definitely the most fascinating part of the ep even if it didn't go anywhere.

And I hardly think it's possible to hold VB up to too high of standards. It's fucking Venture Bros. A show where pretty much every single episode is GOLD. That's why we love it.
 
the super specific degrassi: tng references were probably my favorite references from any episode yet. it felt like i was listening in on a conversation i'd have with my friends. i mean, fuck, we actually were talking about terri's disappearance a few nights ago. made me way too happy

i was kind of confused by what was actually going on in the rest of the episode (like what the connection between billy and monstroso was?) but i enjoyed it more than that zeus one earlier this half-season
 
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