STAR WARS (untagged spoilers, yo)

What is your favorite Star Wars movie?

  • Episode I: The Phantom Menace

    Votes: 9 6.4%

  • Episode II: Attack Of The Clones

    Votes: 2 1.4%

  • Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith

    Votes: 12 8.5%

  • Episode IV: A New Hope

    Votes: 29 20.6%

  • Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back

    Votes: 67 47.5%

  • Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi

    Votes: 18 12.8%

  • Episode VII: The Force Awakens

    Votes: 2 1.4%

  • Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

    Votes: 2 1.4%

  • Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    141
CousinMerl said:
Also, you're not at all interested in anything going forward post-sequel trilogy era?
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Honestly, the idea of a post-Skywalker story is intriguing, but I just don't trust Disney with that one. Right now it sounds more like a way to ask the fanbase for one more chance with Rey instead of a genuine attempt to give her an epilogue. Nothing against Daisy Ridley, and I'm glad that she still gets the chance to shine in the SW franchise no matter how much the haters are gonna hate (but while they're at it, Disney could give Kelly Marie Tran the same treatment after how they did her dirty... and I'd say Boyega as well but I believe I read him say that he doesn't want to be in a SW project anymore), but there was so much flip-flop with her character in the sequel trilogy that it's hard for me to give them the benefit of the doubt for now. That and, eventual executive meddling as usual. Still, screw the Ridley haters. She's faaaar from being the one to blame for the misfire that was the sequel trilogy.

Now that you mention it, I am looking forward to s2 of Star Wars Vision. Especially because I love the idea of getting different countries to make the shorts, one per country (and the presence of Aardman, Cartoon Saloon and Studio La Cachette (Primal) among the animation studios selected).
 
Wile E. the Brain said:
Honestly, the idea of a post-Skywalker story is intriguing, but I just don't trust Disney with that one. Right now it sounds more like a way to ask the fanbase for one more chance with Rey instead of a genuine attempt to give her an epilogue.
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Can't it be both a genuine attempt at an epilogue for Rey & a way to give the character a second chance?

I get what you're saying and that's a good explanation (all of your post, just quoting a bit of it). I'm also skeptical (I mostly just really want to see the formation of a new jedi order finally happening, but I think Rey playing a part in it makes sense) and holding my thumbs they'll do it well and justice. Considering the general criticism and fan backlash I would hope Disney have learnt some lessons and try to do better (and definitely plan it all out beforehand and not make it a tug of war like the sequels), but we'll see.

Wile E. the Brain said:
Still, screw the Ridley haters. She's faaaar from being the one to blame for the misfire that was the sequel trilogy.
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Daisy did well with the material given to her and she's not to blame (though I feel it's a bit excessive to call the sequel trilogy as a whole a misfire, considering we both at least like 'The Force Awakens' and 'The Last Jedi' :lol:)

pax said:
Star Wars was dead in the water for ages, so with that in mind, I'm always willing to give new things the series puts out at least a try. I had no initial interest in Andor, for example, but I gave it a go and my god that show breathed new life into the franchise for me. So fucking good.
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I was fairly late to watching 'Andor' and I did quite enjoy it, even though I felt it had some pacing problems (feels like things unfolded kinda slow or ploddingly at times, even for a slow burn series) & I think it could've had a little more classic 'Star Wars' elements in it (in terms of aliens & droids & creatures; 'Rogue One' did this well without overdoing it) & maybe a few more touches of humor (which could've worked in spite of the grimness of the situation. It would've felt more realistic), but as a whole it was very well done and enjoyable, certainly the franchise doing something really new (even though it is a 'Rogue One' prequel, haha).

My fav part was the prison arc (liked how it was one giant reference to THX-1138, George Lucas' first film), but I also really liked the Mon Mothma plot (too bad that it didn't get some sort of semi-conclusion in the end and was left hanging).
 
CousinMerl said:
(though I feel it's a bit excessive to call the sequel trilogy as a whole a misfire, considering we both at least like 'The Force Awakens' and 'The Last Jedi' :lol:)
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I still like those two movies, I even still consider The Last Jedi one of my favorite SW movies, but I just have trouble to call this trilogy "good" in the sense that it fails to stand on its own two legs as a whole. It wasn't prepared enough, it feels like it was conceptualized on a day-to-day basis, and it ultimately tries so hard to please everyone that it ends up pleasing no one. For all its flaws, the prequel trilogy is internally way more cohesive than the sequel trilogy.
 
@Wile E. the Brain, Absolutely. The sequel trilogy is a narrative mess that lack a unified vision and did feel a lot more improvised than it ever should have been. I also still prefer the prequel trilogy much due to cohesive and unified it is, not to mention being way more crazy wild and creative with everything: One of my main issues with the sequels is still the relative lack or originality, with only really 'The Last Jedi' filling that criteria and the other two borrowing more heavily from the original trilogy and almost coming off as scared of referencing the prequels (they definitely wanted to please the prequel haters). The weakest trilogy of the three, especially narrative-wise, and do fail to stand on its own (I kinda hope it'll be a good lesson for future filmmakers of how not to structure a trilogy).
 
here's my rankings for all the movies

1. Revenge of the sith
2. Return of the jedi
3. A new hope
4. Attack of the clones
5. Empire strikes back (yes i just did that)
6. The last jedi
7. The phantom menace
8. rise of the skywalker (or whatever the movie was called)
 
WI: all of the Jedi Council members as they were at the beginning moments of TPM in 32 BBY were transported through space and time to the main settlement on Tatooine in the opening moments of ANH and thus a new "branch line" timeline begins.

effects that play out?
 
Oh, so they have already been writing it all this time? Seems like they've been planning it for a while and only now revealed that it will indeed be a thing (and this certainly solves the question if it will happen or not).
 
Latest episode of 'The Mandalorian' (season 3, episode 7) was pretty sick. Best episode of the season so far. Really satisfied with how the season has been going. I think the criticism it's been getting (including low viewership) is kinda silly as I think the show is still as good as before, certainly a little different than the previous two but still super enjoyable and intriguing. Only one episode left this season, sadly, but there's still the 'Ahsoka' series to look forward to (premiereing in a few months or so, give or take).
 
Thought I'd share my live action Star Wars Ranking (from worst to best):

14. The Force Awakens: 4/10 - Dislike
13. Attack of the Clones: 5/10 - Mixed
12. Solo: 6/10 - Meh
11. The Book of Boba Fett: 7/10 - Okay
10. The Rise of Skywalker: 7/10 - Okay
9. The Phantom Menace: 7/10 - Okay
8. The Last Jedi: 7/10 - Okay
7. The Mandalorian: 7/10 - Okay
6. Revenge of the Sith: 8/10 - Like
5. Rogue One: 8/10 - Like
4. Andorr: 9/10 - Love
3. Return of the Jedi: 9/10 - Love
2. The Empire Strikes Back: 10/10 - Best
1. A New Hope: 10/10 - Best

Note: Both A New Hope & Empire Strikes Back can easily be interchangeable as my #1, but as of right now, its A New Hope

Another thing I do want to say is that I do plan to re-watch the prequel trilogy, mainly Revenge of the Sith knowing the context of The Clone Wars. Also plan to rewatch Mandalorian, Boba Fett & Andorr in the future too.
 
'The Force Awakens' at the bottom (the only one you consider bad) is quite unexpected, @Jackomon. Why do you think it's the worst one?

Still, an interesting list. Your list reminds me of my wish to rank the movies (according to my opinions), though I don't know if I'd rank the shows together with them (probably do a separate list for those). Will see what I can do about that.

Also, that reminds me: As opposed to like 90% of the fandom, I wasn't overly fond of Andor. Still a real nice series, though the pacing and real slow burn nature was an issue (much like the Marvel Netflix shows, it felt like it dragged out 6-8 episodes worth of story to 12; first two or three episodes were so slow), plus it lacked much of what makes 'Star Wars' feel like 'Star Wars' to me (with little to none of that mythical feel and maybe being a little too grimdark a few times; I think 'Star Wars' shouldn't be too dark and self-serious or it just feels kinda off) but from a acting, writing & directing standpoint it was certainly solid, I did like the little to no reliance on nostalgia and fanservice (with mostly new characters) & a lot of the individual plot points were strong (the prison arc & Mon Mothma plot were favs). Def want to see S2.

Oh, and I realize I forgot to comment on Mandalorian S3 as a whole: I thought it was really good to great overall. Really enjoyed the finale and how it all came together. Still my favorite of the live-action shows.
 
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CousinMerl said:
'The Force Awakens' at the bottom (the only one you consider bad) is quite unexpected, @Jackomon. Why do you think it's the worst one?
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For me, I generally found it to be boring, but Kylo Ren was really annoying in this movie, he came off as nothing but a emo, whiney edgelord in this movie imo, while Phasma & Snook/Snoke felt rather underwhelming, not to mention Poe felt rather underused compared to Rey & Finn who I did enjoy more.

I will say that I did consume Star Wars weirdly, while I have been aware of the franchise for as long as I can remember, and have been aware of several characters like R2D2 & Darth Vader (pretty sure Simpsons told me that he was Luke's father), however I never actually watched Star Wars until I saw The Last Jedi in cinema (I thought I had seen an episode of The Clone Wars during my childhood, but I was wrong, but I do remember seeing promotional material for it as some of the characters looked rather familiar).

However, when it comes to the other movies, I only really consumed them last year, and I watched the movies chronologically starting with the prequel trilogy, then original trilogy and finally the sequel trilogy, so I'm still pretty new when it comes to Star Wars.

Looking back at Andor, I do remember not liking it much initially, the first 3 episodes were meh (although the latter two I disliked due to the jealous boyfriend), the heist trilogy was okay, but I only really liked the final episode of that arc. The prison episodes I liked but it did feel rather slow to begin with. As for the final 2 episodes, I really loved the finale. However, I think I enjoyed the stuff with Mon Mothma & Luthen more compared to Cassian & the Imperial stuff. I didn't mind how dark it got either, which I will admit surprised me given how Disney wants Star Wars to be aimed towards kids similar to the MCU.
 
Jackomon said:
I didn't mind how dark it got either, which I will admit surprised me given how Disney wants Star Wars to be aimed towards kids similar to the MCU.
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Neither did I (at least not overall) and it did fit (as it take place during the dark times during the height of the Galactic Empire's reign & it did so well showing how much things suck for regular folks who aren't the big well known main characters of the saga. By the way, it could've stood for having more prominent alien characters though, maybe a bit too humanocentric to be honest; I it kind of felt like the writer, director & producers thought that having more non-human characters would've taken away from the seriousness. I don't think having a Twi'lek main character (for instance) would've killed it and everyone's interest in it or anything).

But I did feel it maybe got a bit to overly dour at times with little to no humor to balance things out a bit (the balance they struck in 'Rogue One' I felt was missing; I'm all for Star Wars doing something new and to get a show from this from Disney is impressive, but yeah, maybe too much of a good thing?), but there were still a a fair bit of fun moments and jokes scattered throughout (I remember the bit with the Imperial security droid; felt like a foreshadowing of K2SO from 'Rogue One' for sure) and the underlying theme of hope was felt.

As a whole, even though the pacing was often slow (and I struggled a bit to get through it at times), I enjoyed it and it really paid off in the last few episodes, even though some arcs were better than others and it was a bit uneven overall (I thought much of the mission/heist stuff felt kinda clunky up until the last part, while the political side was quite intriguing, much like you felt). It definitely felt like buildup to the second season, which I hope is not too far away (but with the strike and all, it probably will be further away).
 
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What if at the moment just before Anakin handsies Count Dooku, an exact copy of Dooku is sent forward in time to say, Tatooine in 19 BBY in the beginning of the opening scene of "Star Wars"?
 
return of the jedi is my favorite star wars and im tired of pretending it isn't

was my favorite one as a kid in the early 90s, was the one I rewatched the most, and still is

been doing a rewatch in order(you realize jar jar is pretty much roger rabbit right, and like that's simultaneously a good and bad thing) and I just made it to jedi and man

love this movie
 
So about upcoming Star Wars projects, I think we've reached a point where if they'll have even a chance at becoming genuine hit's they actually need to have some damn good stories. A huge part of Star Wars appeal have always been the world it takes place in, the look, sound, and feel of it. But Disney has churned out SO MUCH Star Wars material over the past years that very few people are excited at the prospect of returning to the Star Wars galaxy just in order to see more of the Star Wars galaxy. Nobody is excited by merely seeing a light saber being turned on, or seeing a Star Destoryer fill up the screen, or hearing the sound of a wookie. We take all of that for granted. Even the classic characters that people have loved for decades have all been exhuasted. Seeing Mark Hamill returning as Luke once again isn't going to cause a huge stir, at least not among casual viewers.

No, if they wanna have large audiences flocking to Star Wars they're gonna have to feature actually well written content. George Lucas himself managed to lure audiences back with his terrible prequel movies because "It's Star Wars!" and then Disney could do the same with their underwhelming sequel movies, but no more. Of course to be honest, even a genuinly good script obvsiously isn't enough to guarantee a huge audience, as Andor kinda flopped. But I do think it's an obligatory component.
 
Over the last two weeks I decided to rewatch the prequels, some I'd not seen since rental dvds were a thing, one I hadn't seen since it was in the cinema.

Both Phantom menace and Revenge of the Sith were better than I remembered which was neat. I bumped Phantom Menace from 3.5 to 4, and Revenge from 3 to 3.5 on Letterboxd.

Attack of the Clones actually managed to be worse, and I already thought it was utterly dire.
 
So the first two eps of the Acolyte is out.

Got some chiding due to being rather down on the trailer and negatively comparing it to the one for Tales of the Empire.

Well two episodes in it is doing better than that disappointment. At least this is actually worth being called what it is so far.

Then many of these Disney+ show's average quality follow a \ downward trend. Maybe I'll be right, maybe I'll continue to be wrong, and I do hope the latter is the case as I would much prefer to enjoy this than to be a grumpy killjoy.
 
stryke said:
So the first two eps of the Acolyte is out.

Got some chiding due to being rather down on the trailer and negatively comparing it to the one for Tales of the Empire.

Well two episodes in it is doing better than that disappointment. At least this is actually worth being called what it is so far.

Then many of these Disney+ show's average quality follow a \ downward trend. Maybe I'll be right, maybe I'll continue to be wrong, and I do hope the latter is the case as I would much prefer to enjoy this than to be a grumpy killjoy.
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Maybe it is just me, but I find you're being a bit cryptical here, at least partially.

I mean, you say that Acolyte is actually worth being called what it is so far, but what is it, then? You forgot to specify.

Also, less so, but what exactly do you refer to with the "maybe I'll be right, maybe I'll continue to be wrong" part? I'm asssuming you mean that you find it OK/decent thus far but think it will go bad (following a downward trend you've felt with the D+ shows so far), but mean it maybe it will get better in a best case scenario (which you hope for)?

I've only seen the first episode so far and I think it's.... Pretty good, actually. Nice setup for the plot, got a couple of interesting characters down already & I like the visuals & the music, too. Looking forward to seeing the continuation.
 
CousinMerl said:
Maybe it is just me, but I find you're being a bit cryptical here, at least partially.

I mean, you say that Acolyte is actually worth being called what it is so far, but what is it, then? You forgot to specify.
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You know how how we how we agreed in another thread that the name Tales of the Empire was false advertising as only two out of the six episodes were actually about the Empire? That was what I was referring to, as this show is very much about an Acolyte, so bonus points there.

And yep your assumption for the rest was spot on.
 
Well, so The Acolyte wrapped up its first season yesterday with its eight episode. So what did we think of it?

For me personally, I thought it started out interesting and promising but ended up being a bit meh, if not also bad on some fronts. But I think it was fine and OK overall, even though I disagreed with a lot of the decisions made and such.

The premise itself, the setting, the characters, the music, visuals & fight choreography etc. was not bad and had promise, but I fel the execution of the writing really let much of it down, with a lot of clunkiness and unconvincing creative choices, if not also laziness in terms of thinking stuff through before you translate them onto screen, resulting in a lot of strange/poor creative decisions, weird and clunky dialogues, fluctuating character motivations, an overly complicated plot and whatnot & creating a lot of baffling and questionable moments that make me go "what? really? why is this show doing this?". Also, at times, the show ends up looking a bit cheap ?

And sadly to say, it also relies on a lot of tropes (after the finale doing a Poor Communication Kills moment with character being unable to even communicate and explain, ending up sounding like a cringy idiot which causing disaster, I will now tell it to go f**k itself; I'm thinking that bad communication/misunderstanding trope may be the worst writing cliché ever as it feels like such a storytelling crutch to manufacture drama in the worst of ways) and contrivances just to create more drama.

I can safely say it got really messy (plus my two favorite characters are now dead and the two leads I cannot really care for at this point, especially now that  they are both kinda really bad, if tragic, people whom have blood on their hands, all due to a grave misunderstanding in those flashback episode, which involves the mother witch ending up getting herself killed by a Jedi who reacted understandably but is now being slapped with the Informed Wrongess trope (and even demonized) & the mind-wipe comes off as a bit cheap story-wise, maybe? ) It felt a bit underwhelming, not helped by the cliffhanger ending.

So yeah, while hardly the worst show I've ever seen and not without its moments, my interest started to slip during it, especially in the latter half of the season after the massacre episode and it got all the more unengaging and meh (and there's a really strange cameo by a certain character and it feels kinda pointess?), and I don't really care if the show gets a continuation, but if they surprise me with the second season theyn maybe they can salvage it.

Still not regretting that I watched it, was good with something different and I did like a lot about it. Just didn't think it was anything great.
 
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I'm actually a bit more positive on the show, which is a nice upgrade as I was very sceptical going in, and do think it was stronger than Ahsoka or Mando s3. I'm not sure it hit the levels of being y'know properly good, but it didn't also annoy me that much. I do wonder how much that had to do with watching the last four episodes in a row last night. I can see some of those endings being more vexing having to wait a week.

Also this might have some unmarked spoilers if you care about that kind of thing for this show.

I think my only real problems are the bloody gopher who seems to be there just to do whatever the plot needs to move it along. The sabotage of Sol's ship feeling especially unmotivated. Him being called Basil Macguffin elsewhere online is pretty amusing and spot on.

They could have managed the flashbacks better. I got what they were going for but I'd have preffered them not taking up quite so much time when they only had eight episodes. Others have noted they should have been worked more into the flow of the story like say Lost as selected scenes where they were plot relevent rather than all dumped out in two huge blocks.

I actually missed the first cameo as the show wasn't really holding my full attention at that point, and I didn't know that character was that race of alien anyway until I did some reading, and had a wait, who showed up?! reaction.

Will always appreciate David Harewood, and feel a bit robbed he was only in the last episode as he's great in everything. He's probably the only reason that I'd want a s2 at this point now we've lost Sol who had been doing so much to carry this show.

Sith pretty boy ended up being a pretty decent character. From a brief look at twitter I can see that's going over incredibly well with the target audience for that kind of thing which I'm fully okay with. More shameless fanservice for everyone I say :D

Had some very neat fights, and I really liked how they showed the lightsabre crystal being bled. That was rather cool.

Wasn't a fan of the closing shot though. They'd been doing pretty well making the show their own thing, but nope gotta bring in the other kind of fanservice which has got a lot annoying with how it's been so overused in the Disney era of Star Wars.
 
stryke said:
I'm actually a bit more positive on the show, which is a nice upgrade as I was very sceptical going in, and do think it was stronger than Ahsoka or Mando s3. I'm not sure it hit the levels of being y'know properly good, but it didn't also annoy me that much. I do wonder how much that had to do with watching the last four episodes in a row last night. I can see some of those endings being more vexing having to wait a week.
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To be clear, I may have made it sound like I hated the show as I focused on my issues with it, but I didn't hate it.

In general, I thought it was an okay show overall, even if the stuff toward the end did tread into a bit of an "Eh, not really feelin' it too much" territory, hence why I said it was kinda meh, but it may be due just to personal preferences. I wouldn't say it is good (much like you), I didn't think it was all that engrossing (even if the story was interesting, don't get me wrong) and the often wonky handling of the script and direction made me question it and I had a lot of nitpicks (I do agree with your rundown of nitpicks and complaints), but I am still glad I watched it (and as said, I did like a lot about it, such as some bits and pieces and several of the characters, even though I'm still sad those I'd say were my personal favorites died durin the season's run, one way too soon). I'm hoping the next season is a smoother ride.

And having to wait inbetween the episodes may have affected me a bit, even if it was subconsciously. For instance, the next to last episode essentially being a retelling of the prior flashback episode but from another POV probably works better on a binge watch (but like you, I still think they had too much of a presence for an 8 episode series, making much of that latter one feel redundant).
 
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Not gonna lie, forgot about this thread.

For me, I liked Acolyte, it has its problems, but I certainly think it was better compared to all the hate it was getting, which was unesseccary & stupid. I am curious @CousinMerl & @stryke, what you thought about the whole
 ||age of Ki-Adi-Mundi debate, personally, I found it rather pointless||. 

I don't have much to say on it compared to you two (I have yet to read your reviews properly), but I do hope for the second season. I think Jekki is easily my favourite character of the series thou alongside Vernestra Roe.
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Edit: Forgot to use the spoiler tag, I keep going to use the Discord way of hiding spoilers
 
Jackomon said:
For me, I liked Acolyte, it has its problems, but I certainly think it was better compared to all the hate it was getting, which was unesseccary & stupid. I am curious @CousinMerl & @stryke, what you thought about the whole
 ||age of Ki-Adi-Mundi debate, personally, I found it rather pointless||. 
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Shows's absolutely getting way too much hate. I mean, I heard the Star Wars Theory guy calling it the worst show he's ever seen and I'm like "What the hell? surely there are worse shows!". So yeah, the crazy obsessive SW fans going at it again.

As for that age debate thing, I think it's just really stupid and inane. I don't think anyone would've cared as much if he wasn't a meme character ("What about the droid attack on the wookies?"), similarily how fans got pissed when Ackbar died with little fanfare in TLJ, which was just as crazy and insane: Fans feel overly protective of just minor characters some times.

Jackomon said:
I think Jekki is easily my favourite character of the series thou alongside Vernestra Roe.
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Jecki was my no.1 favorite of the show (oh... :( ) but I also liked Sol, whom was interesting too (I tend to like many of these flawed but well-meaning characters). Didn't like Vernestra much (I just dislike her as a character, much as she embodies pretty mich all the negative traits of a Jedi, also her cowardly decision in the end :irked:; but as an antagonist, she worked well).
 
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Genuinely amazed anyone cares about Ki-Adi-Mundi who was such a background guy both in the movies and in this. Only remember him for asking about the wookies.

I can see a case for Ackbar's use being more annoying as it felt more like randomly offing the guy cause hey people recognise the character, and it didn't help that many people didn't like his replacement.

I really did appreciate the sheer level of body count this show had though. It's nice having lightsabre stab wounds be lethal again compared to Ahsoka or Obi-Wan where it seemed like they were no more than a minor boo-boo.
 
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