Rate & Review: "The Very Hungry Caterpillars" (OABF14)

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Next time I commented was after I actually did see it, followed by gaslighting because I only watched 2/3rds and didn't want to waste any further time on it!
2/3rds or any amount

a lot of factors could make someone change their mind on an episode

''bart the lover'' for example has a very mean spirited story if i left the episode at the time bart tricks edna (which is a huge part of the episode) i'd be like BRUH THIS EPISODE SUCKS WHY IS IT SO MEAN SPIRITED

but those final 5 minutes made me like it more
 
@Sandboy Except most of the time what I do hear about what happens in an episode after the point where I gave up (whether they're saying it as a good thing or not) plus what I already didn't like about what I saw beforehand and how well detailed this secondhand info tends to be further confirms that I'm fair with rating an episode even if I didn't finish the main plot.

Again, to claim it's unfair for me to rate something I only watched 2/3rds of and that I should essentially further waste my time in something I already wasn't liking after having already seen the majority of it in order to justify my rating just comes off as gaslighting!
But it doesn't work like that, maybe in your way of seeing things yes, but it's not something that everyone will agree on, nor do you want them to. It's unfair because you're trying to review episodes you didn't even fully watch, that's not only a blow to those who did watch it (regardless of whether they liked it or not), but it's also a reflection of us as fans and the community. Not essentially a new view, especially when it has been shown that the producers also check this site from time to time, it would only make us not be taken seriously and our reviews would fall on a vacuum (as already demonstrated in the review thread from 'Bart the Cool Kid').

Look John, the problem isn't that you like the episode, that's fine, and it's not the fact that you don't want to watch an episode. The problem is trying to come and review them, it's just not fair to others, let alone healthy. Also as @/Wile E. the Brain already said, it's more of a waste of time to form your opinion based on what you say/hear from others, instead of just watching the episode yourself. It's not fair, it doesn't add anything new and it's just a detour from the thread. We are simply asking that you be more fair and refrain from upvoting or attempting to review, whether you have seen "2/3" or skipped parts. It's just a superficial and wrong view, the same thing that turns conversations into dead ends.

In family guy's 'Vat Man and Rob 'Em' thread and review, you mentioned something about not rating episodes, based on only having seen the subplot. You did the same in 'Adult Education' where you mentioned that you would have rated it, had it not been for your lack of interest in the main plot. Maybe it's time to apply the same here, it's not bad faith, it's just the fairest thing you could have for the fans.
 
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@Sandboy I still think it's fair to rate an episode where I watched 2/3rds since that counts as a majority (all of the subplot, plus a majority of the main) unlike those FG episodes.

But if you're just gonna respond as usual saying they my way of thinking is fucked up and ass backwards than don't bother responding since once again a thread I've commented on has derailed due to me commenting and than further snowballing when I try to explain myself because some people just can't leave well enough alone!
 
I'm going to side with @John95 on this one. If he's seen two thirds of an episode and isn't enjoying himself for whatever reason, I think he's allowed to walk away from it and that shouldn't preclude him from commenting on what he saw or extrapolating from other people's impressions. It's not what I would personally do, but to argue that someone should only comment on something if they fulfil certain conditions (i.e. watching an episode in full) is dangerously close to gatekeeping. This applies to many other things in life as well. John's opinion might have less weight as a result, but it's not invalid.

Let me posit something; would John's decision bother any of you if you also disliked the episode?
 
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If he's seen two thirds of an episode and isn't enjoying himself for whatever reason, I think he's allowed to walk away from it and that shouldn't preclude him from commenting on what he saw or extrapolating from other people's impressions. It's not what I would personally do, but to argue that someone should only comment on something if they meet certain conditions (i.e. watching an episode in full) is dangerously close to gatekeeping
It's also gaslighting because they feel I should suffer even more than I already have in order to validate anything I say about the episode! As I previously mentioned, it's a lose/lose scenario because I would've wasted more time by watching the rest when I already wasn't enjoying it and I still lose because I'm being shamed for actually wanting to save myself several minutes that would've been otherwise wasted.

would John's decision bother any of you if you also disliked the episode?
This has happened with other shows. Nobody gave a shit when I didn't finish certain episodes of FG or AD! because they were episodes that most people didn't like either.
 
but is it too much to ask for a bart and lisa hug lol
holy crap i predicted today's clown episode

@catchphraseloop
Absolutely thought of you when I saw that hug. Happy for you, you deserved that
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Let me posit something; would John's decision bother any of you if you also disliked the episode?
Yes. Whenever I see John doing that with recent Family Guy and American Dad! episodes, I still disagree with this method even though I usually don't like what comes from their respective later seasons (ironically, I'm talking about seasons I haven't seen in full myself, and I'm conscious that I can't judge them entirely either). I just want to make myself clear : I'm not saying that John isn't allowed to walk away from something he's not liking without finishing it, and come to say that he didn't like what he saw. There are some movies, for instance, I couldn't go through myself, and still complain about. But I still disagree with the method of judging and rating the whole thing based on 2/3 (with some skipping between two scenes) and a truncated synopsis of it. Probably because I tend to want to see if even the things I'm not liking while watching them do something right, that go beyond the mere writing.

But, to each his own. That will be my final word on the matter because I know that we'll always disagree, John and me, on it. I want to say though, I tried to keep it respectful, more like a debate, my intent wasn't to make John feel bad, and I'm sorry if I did. It's your way of watching / reviewing an episode, not mine, I just don't find it entirely fair and I wanted to give my two cents on the matter, but I apologize if you felt gaslighted.
 
@Wile E. the Brain Although you were feeding into the people that were directly gaslighting me, you weren't doing it as badly as the others so we're cool in that regard. In other words, it's fine to disagree as long as you're not directly shaming me because I felt I had a legit reason for calling it quits and not finish the episode (AKA a "John95 Moment"). And like I said, the other comments I looked at (whether more critical or not) were about as accurate and descriptive enough as if I were actually watching it.

There are some movies, for instance, I couldn't go through myself, and still complain about.
Can relate when it comes to the 2013 version of The Great Gatsby, still the one and only movie I've ever walked out of.

Ideally this is the last time I want to comment on a situation that shouldn't have derailed this as badly as it did.
 
(AKA a "John95 Moment")
TM™ meko1432 ''john95 moment'' is the sole property of Meko1432 and may only be discussed, in part or in whole, with its creator Meko1432. Duplication of this Term is punishable by law, restrictions apply, results may vary
 
I see I've missed a lenghty @John95 debate.

Anyhow, while I may not always agree with John95 (nor his approach of watching part of episodes and then dropping them and leaving a brief review blurb and a rating; his self-described "John95 moments" I think is a good term for that, lol; nah, not really), I've always tried to respect his opinions and I have never really minded his often impopular contrary opinions and the "John95 moments" (last time I'll use that term, I promise; it is a silly one). and when I have criticized him or the like, I've never meant it as some form of attack on him or tried saying that his opinions are objectively wrong/stupid (to make things perfectly clear when it comes to that).

Sure, his style of approach on the show (and others, like the Seth MacFarlane ones) is different and unconventional for sure (and can look pretty odd, also with the ever so often extremely low grades), but his opinions are as valid as those of other users, even when we are not in agreement. I may sometimes wish he'd complete episodes and elaborate on why he hates them that much, but it is his choice if he wants to finish them or explain himself further (and it is his right to stop watching if he doesn't get something out of it. As has been said, I think we've all had moments when we cannot find it ourself to complete a movie or show/episode we hate and find unbearable. It's not been many for me, much as I am kind of a completist, but there's been a few instances for sure where I just had to stop).

Luckily in terms of other shows, we every now and then seem to agree, which show that it's not all kinds of series' that bothers him so much that he drops episodes without completing them (which gives more of a perspective on him, I'd say). But yes, I've never wanted to make him feel like his opinions mean less or tried to gaslight him, and if it ever seemed like that, I apologize & I can accept when he doesn't want to completely watch anything he really dislikes or hates, even if I think one shouldn't judge something completely without having watched it from start to end (And with 'The Simpsons' he did say he would stop watching starting from when the season resumed from its winter break, but I guess the lure of Our Favorite Family was too strong. I don't blame anyone for that either
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his self-described "John95 moments" I think is a good term for that, lol
I didn't originate this, and I referenced it again more in a mocking sort of way, as in, it's not ideal to be using this term again as it feels like a backhanded form of gaslighting especially if you're using this for something I'm not even watching.

with 'The Simpsons' he did say he would stop watching starting from when the season resumed from its winter break, but I guess the lure of Our Favorite Family was too strong. I don't blame anyone for that either
Never said it like that, just that I would stop keeping up with the show regularly after The Many Saints of Springfield. Meaning there's some episodes I've seen (Bartless, Pin Gal and Write Off This Episode) but also ones I skipped as their synopsis' pointed to something I figured I wouldn't like anyways (Hostile Kirk Place, Fan-ily Feud and now possibly Clown V. Board of Education).
 
I didn't originate this, and I referenced it again more in a mocking sort of way, as in, it's not ideal to be using this term again as it feels like a backhanded form of gaslighting especially if you're using this for something I'm not even watching.

I was referring to it being a good term for that in a joking manner for the post, not seriously (was playing on @Meko1432's joke post above mine), so I obviously won't refer to it seriously as a term for your tendency to not watching episodes in full. You can feel at ease.

Where did it originate from? I thought you made it up on the spot kind of as a joke in a self-depreciating way (which is why I joked about it, but now I get it was a term someone used toward you. Sorry for that).

Never said it like that, just that I would stop keeping up with the show regularly after The Many Saints of Springfield. Meaning there's some episodes I've seen (Bartless, Pin Gal and Write Off This Episode) but also ones I skipped as their synopsis' pointed to something I figured I wouldn't like anyways (Hostile Kirk Place, Fan-ily Feud and now possibly Clown V. Board of Education).

Oh yes, now I remember. I was thinking that I had forgotten something and it was that you had only said you would stop watching regularily and only check out episodes here and there when there was something of real interest.
 
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I was referring to it being a good term for that in a joking manner for the post, not serously (was playing on @Meko1432's joke post above mine), so I obviously won't refer to it seriously as a term for your tendency to not watching episodes in full. You can feel at ease.
i was also saying it as a joke term, didnt want people to actually say it xD but i guess john didnt get the joke, sorry for that john
 
I just watched this because it seemed like it was getting decent reviews.

For the most part, I thought it was a pretty good episode, and it did make fun of the lockdown from a couple years ago. The only part I didn’t like was homer not being able to reset his password. (My dad is in his early 80s and knows about password resets.)

4/5

Coincidentally, the Minnesota department of transportation issued a Joke “Worm Advisory” because of all the rain in central MN the past two weeks.
 
No, They should stop using Lisa for random "tech" stuff like that. The joke's punchline was that they didn't recover it and stole Flander's christian streaming service.
 
I actualy liked Lisa's plot the most and I wish it was developed a little bit more but it was still a very enjoyable episode.
 
Not bad, but there's definitely more they could have done with the concept and I wasn't really keen on the Maggie part of the plot.

B-
 
I don't have too much to say here (results may vary), in a way that I think signals this was actually alright. As much as it seeeems like THE COVID EPISODE it hems and haws regarding how much it really wants to examine and poke at the pandemic culture, The Simpsons is never above making the same jokes everyone else has way too late but especially with COVID, laying it on thick is unavoidably gonna feel rather irrelevant in 2023, toothless and dated. So I'm glad for once that the show's tendency to not commit benefited the episode, its got a little COVID DNA but its just as rooted in its thriller movie musical stings and cards, and narratively its a pretty standard sitcom motif to find a way to shove everyone inside the house for an entire day and this feels mostly casual on that end. It might be a sign of poor worldbuilding on the episode's part that we don't get a real sense of why the caterpillars are even dangerous to humans, only their environmental calamity, but fuck it I don't want anyone's COVID take ever again. I'll take it. And at the very least, I have been stung by caterpillars, so yknow what yeah I'd also staying inside cuz that shit hurts.

The individual stories are all especially given the casual vibe with how little they clash, there isn't much of a bottle episode aim with tensions crescendoing between the family as they go stir crazy, instead opting for vignettes suited to each Simpson and the goings-on as a result of lockdown. Lisa's is the closest the episode gets to talking COVID via using her as avatar of the anxieties of watching a pandemic unfold and getting into the consequences of endless doomscrolling (me fr) and it could be preachy but minus a well meaning but weak (and late?) speech at the end it plays more to a surreal angle as Lisa is the only one who truly loses her mind, we get a bit of the Lisa who knows too much for her own good mixed with her still being a child consuming and interpreting information with the imagination a child would, its cute and creatively done for her. Bart's story is the worst inversely, barely a pandemic/lockdown story aside from the manner of spying on Skinner's woes being through remote learning, we've seen all this before and it drags on, but I just sorta blotted it out and waited for the next scene so whatever.

The Flanders stuff is weird, theres a quaint silliness to Homer and Marge's entire plight being Maggie's picky eating and invading the Flanderses and causing a ruckus makes sense, I like the idea of that being the relationship that gathers tension in this situation, I'm just not exactly sure what the angle was with hyper intense Flanders here, I thiiiiink its going for "oh its the end times I've realized all at once I have put up with this oaf neighbor for too long and I'm done", but it might be an attempt at a dark side of the coin of his zealotry, the doomsday prepper energy met with the acceptance of retribution? But like wouldn't a Flanders eager to get to Heaven wanna sin as little as possible at the home stretch! Bad strats my dude you goin' to Heck.

In some ways I think I'd have liked a lockdown episode to go 22 Short Films with it, really examine every different archetype's response to the chaos, COVID is a societal malady after all, literally and sentimentally, though I also imagine that would lead to more on-the-nose COVID parallels that could wind up preachy and redundant. I understand keeping it to the family but the episode essentially evades intimacy and leaves each story to exist in its own room, the Simpsons don't suffer each other much at all in this episode, which may contribute to why its generally pleasant, but it does make me wonder why they didn't take a bigger swing? I guess its a bit damned if ya do damned if ya don't, ultimately this doesn't deliver anything that new and has very little to say about the subject, feels like theres a reluctance to really go there because at this point what joke will we find that the entire world didn't splatter all over twitter?

COVID is sort of the epitome of how social media damns comedy writers in the TV world, jokes are mined and exhausted ages before a production can make it to air but beyond that I think we all just gather a greater collective fatigue over these issues because everyone on Earth is observing and giving their take at once. Its why late night TV feels as hacky as it always was now, its why its much easier to sniff out the easy jokes and the easy targets and you gotta work harder to fight against the risk or possibly temptation to bite those low hanging fruit til theres no flesh left. I was there too after all, social media can make you hate things you like and as for the things you already hate, maybe thats a sign to log off. Point is I knew as soon as COVID "ended" I didn't wanna hear about it again, and I better not see a movie on an episode of anything giving me their take on the goddamn pandemic! So while nothing special and pretty sitcommy, I'll give 'em this, thank God the Simpsons barely did.
 
The mock on quarantine is still interesting to watch, considering in the week when episode aired WHO write off the pandemic status from COVID.

Homer and Marge. Not trivial, but yes - it's about "appropriation side" of whatever crisis. Ned going mad beating Homer the latter was expected, to said was a bit off. However, crisis can turn us in completely other people - as mentally as physically.

Bart and Skinner. The story - a fraud in family - isn't new nor original - just for guest star :boring: . Actually, this plot, indifferently to other 2, has the least related to quarantine premise. Just distance education. However, I somewhat like the fact, that no outside home you can change the fate of other person.

Lisa. Her initial anxiety over need with information about unknown is familiar to real us - in whatever crisis the first hours people seek for news. So, sure her mental health with "days in phone" could be shaken. Then the dolls like reminder to her about reality. I really like, that Yeardly (as well as Ukrainian respective actress) voiced all them herself. Lisa finding caterpillar cute… was cute. Also love her final speech, highlighting smth in all the stories.

The animation is good.

plot 16/25 (5/9 H&M + 5/8 B&S + 6/8 L)
absurdity level (the possibility of what is happening and whether I liked it) 21/25
comedy 19/25 (7/9 H&M + 5/8 B&S + 7/8 L)
originality (level of references and whether I liked them) 23/25

TOTAL 79/100 (strong 4/5, or B). GOOD!
 
This was a very good episode, I'm really happy that they used a non-covid stand in for the satire here, as it means this episode can remain timeless.

I'm also happy that they made this episode more light-hearted while still making it's points heard, all the plots here were very fun but still felt natural when thinking about the subject. Lisa's subplot was really good, I enjoyed seeing her sort of torn between her more logical and issues focused side and the side of her that does want to just sit back and play with her toys, and the imagination stuff was well written, and lead to the heartfelt message the episode was going for, which I liked a lot.

The Bart stuff was also really fun, but then sweet when it needed to be; and the Homer and Marge plot was once again, a lot of fun, and I enjoyed the characterization Ned had here, it was an interesting portrayal that I enjoyed, the scene where he sticks Homer's head in the ranch and then Homer starts eating it was the funniest moment for me.

Before I end my review, I also wanna say I enjoyed the direction and animation here as well, as well as the intense score throughout, the plots were fun but the direction/score still made it feel serious when it needed to be. Anyway yeah this was another rlly good S34 show
4.5/5
 
It's hard not to judge this episode for what it could have been, and not for what it was. Springfield in a lockdown was going to happen sooner or later, and possibilities were infinity. I think the writers played it safe making a family-centric one mostly in The Simpsons' House instead of trying out something more special. I would have liked to see more of other characters because there was a lot of material, but I can't complain for what we've got. I think the standout of this one was not in any of the three stories, but it's in its building-up: the atmosphere was tense, and anxiety and disconcert for the lockdown were achieved despite it was only were five days of isolation. I liked the element of caterpillars and I loved how it turned in an unsure and unhappy ending.

All the characters portrayed different common ways to react to lockdown: parents struggling with a baby amd getting worried by the lack of resources, a kid being distracted by technology, and a kid getting worried by the uncertainty. I loved the main story-arc. Homer and Marge dealing with Maggie's addction —who was incredibly adorable here— was funny to watch, and I liked the contrast between them and the Flanders. Ned was great as well, and I don't get why people say he is flanderized. He was nothing but a good father all the way through, and he didn't let Homer go over him. I enjoyed how tension was growing between the families to end on a very strong note. The weakest part was the one of Lisa. It's quite strange and I think the way she drives to craziness could have been done better. Bart's part was average. I thought the characterization of Skinner was in the limit, and I was not so invested in it. I liked the bits of Kirk and Moe (poor man, was locked in his work place), who also played typical roles of people during the pandemic.

Overall, it was a fun episode and it's among the best of the season, despite it has its flaws and despite it could have been better. They did it fine with a concept we all are related with.

4/5
 
I liked the element of caterpillars and I loved how it turned in an unsure and unhappy ending.

The ironic over the top ending with the caterpillars was really funny (and maybe not so unhappy, as the family get to spend more time together for a while longer & using Ned's streaming account seemed to give them joy, at least).

Also, even though I don't agree with everything (such as Lisa's story being the weakest one), it is a really good little write-up on the episode, which I still think was maybe the best way for the show to do their own spin on the Covid-19 pandemic without being too obvious. It could certainly have been stronger and better in many respects, but still a really solid episode overall.
 
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