Modern TV Show Trends That Need To Stop

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Have been thinking of this topic for a while so I'll make that into a thread.

What are some trends in modern TV that you would like to see cease, if possibly altogether?

My main one right now is something that has been bugging me as of recently: Can shows please stop ending their seasons on a cliffhanger? With how there's even bigger of an unsurety these days regarding how long of a lifespan a show will have due to how the ratings and/or streaming numbers look & the tendency with even well-recieved or beloved shows suddenly ending early due to the studio or streaming service pulling the plug (Netflix is still egregious with this), I think there lies a clear danger in finishing your season on a big cliffhanger, which could at worst mean that the show is abruptly canned, leaving it unresolved. At least, they can end the seasons on a more "complete" note that has the focal conflict(s) at hand resolved and yet leave things open for a possibly continuation, but don't have a full cliffhanger and count on there being a continuation or conclusion. But they seem to not have learnt that thus far, which is an issue.

Also I suppose having every other or all episodes end with a cliffhanger ties into this. Please stop with those, too, as not all episodes need to end with a cliffhanger, as if not trusting your audience to stay with the show unless you have those endings.
 
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One I can think of, and while it doesn't bother me much as I can understand it for some shows, but I think they should stop dropping episodes all at once, as these days its pretty clear that the binge model is no longer viable. Just look at TGAMM, MGDD & CoTC, all been dropped at once on streaming services while airing weekly on TV. The weekly format still works imo, and I think they should stick with that. Look at X-Men '97, it did amazing viewership wise and a lot of that has to do with it been released weekly, just imagine what it would of been like if it was all dropped in one day.
 
One I can think of, and while it doesn't bother me much as I can understand it for some shows, but I think they should stop dropping episodes all at once, as these days its pretty clear that the binge model is no longer viable.

Massive episode drops made for binge watching sucks and makes little sense as it has been proven that weekly releases is just as viable, if not more so, and will draw in big crowds (I mean yeah, X-Men '97 has been an excellent example), yet streamers like Netflix still do the mass season drops for more than a few shows, I believe (for one thing, I wish 'The Dragon Prince' would be weekly releases).

Also it is such a disservice to the production crew of shows, whom despite all their hard work have their content dumped on the service more or less all at once, which makes potentially less revenue for them (For one, there's 'Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur', which by the second season got transformed into the new Disney+ streaming dump show, with 14 episodes dropped at once and binge watching essentially being required if the third season is gonna happen: I mean, they are essentially holding the show ransom)

On a related note, there's also the "bomb" release format on TV, with shows dropping chunks of episodes every now and then, with more or less considerable breaks and hiatuses inbetween (some surprisingly lengthy), which I'm also not fond of.
 
People will binge ur shit no matter what, you don’t have to do all these mini convoluted story arcs that go nowhere just to create drama
 
On a related note, there's also the "bomb" release format on TV, with shows dropping chunks of episodes every now and then, with more or less considerable breaks and hiatuses inbetween (some surprisingly lengthy), which I'm also not fond of.
I remember hearing that Steven Universe has "Stevenbombs" during its airing, and CN basically screwed the show over because of it
 
Have been thinking of this topic for a while so I'll make that into a thread.

What are some trends in modern TV that you would like to see cease, if possibly altogether?

My main one right now is something that has been bugging me as of recently: Can shows please stop ending their seasons on a cliffhanger? With how there's even bigger of an unsurety these days regarding how long of a lifespan a show will have due to how the ratings and/or streaming numbers look & the tendency with even well-recieved or beloved shows suddenly ending early due to the studio or streaming service pulling the plug (Netflix is still egregious with this), I think there lies a clear danger in finishing your season on a big cliffhanger, which could at worst mean that the show is abruptly canned, leaving it unresolved. At least, they can end the seasons on a more "complete" note that has the focal conflict(s) at hand resolved and yet leave things open for a possibly continuation, but don't have a full cliffhanger and count on there being a continuation or conclusion. But they seem to not have learnt that thus far, which is an issue.

Also I suppose having every other or all episodes end with a cliffhanger ties into this. Please stop with those, too, as not all episodes need to end with a cliffhanger, as if not trusting your audience to stay with the show unless you have those endings.

I agree that cliffhangers that are designed to cheaply hustle the viewer to keep watching or manipulate the network/streamer to renew the show is likely desperate and counter-productive to the integrity of the story. However, I do appreciate the art of a great cliffhanger when done correctly and I think the conventions of the device is what can make television special compared to a standalone film. A method in engaging the viewer for the genuine sake of the story in a continuing world. Same way a chapter in a book would end in a satisfying way that urges the reader to see what happens next. I enjoy that the medium can either embrace it or not. TV doesn't need cliffhangers so long as the meat of the narrative is entertaining. The Sopranos and Mad Men are some of the best dramas and any random episode or season can be enjoyed completely self-contained.

But then Breaking Bad or The Shield or Lost can be really exciting because of its cliffhangers. I watched an episode of Fringe the other day where the cliffhanger was a reveal that answered a question the episode strived to ask throughout and was substantial to the philosophical themes it was exploring. Breaking Bad season 3's finale cliffhanger served to be one of the most excruciating waits for the next season, but the cliffhanger still served the body of work that season 3 set out to explore from a character study perspective. If the show ended there, it would be a shame, but I would be thankful the show didn't play it safe to appease the external network powers that be of whether it will get picked up or not for another season. I'd rather a great show go big or go home. And of course, it's all about the execution.

I understand that it's hard to keep a show alive in today's landscape when there less episodes per season to develop a story and more competition for audience's attention with platforms that can provide infinite content at a slashed budget (more shows with less seasons) but those are just the goal posts that a successful tv show are required to meet now. It's a problem in the industry for sure, but I don't think the creative storytelling should bend the knee to it as a hopeful workaround.
 
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However, I do appreciate the art of a great cliffhanger when done correctly and I think the conventions of the device is what can make television special compared to a standalone film. A method in engaging the viewer for the genuine sake of the story in a continuing world. Same way a chapter in a book would end in a satisfying way that urges the reader to see what happens next. I enjoy that the medium can either embrace it or not. TV doesn't need cliffhangers so long as the meat of the narrative is entertaining.

I think that is certainly true. WHen done well, the cliffhangers can be surprisingly good and effective (a lot of seasons have done it and even story arcs as well), even though TV doesn't really need cliffhangers as long as the narrative really works, like you are saying.

Though at the same time, I think a problem is the abundance of cliffhangers and cliffhanger endings in almost each and every episode: I mean, you can still have a partly or fully serialized show without having a more or less blatant hook at the end every single time (I'd say a ending stinger scene could do the job just as well, if not better, in terms of leaving the audiences hanging a bit without having the episode's plot itself come off completely unresolved and cut off in a "See you next week/month/year/next few yearsetc. for the continuation!" way).

Sure, I'm not against cliffhangers done well, but there need to be some kind of moderation and thought put into it (and a consideration of these modern times of TV shows and streaming shows should be applied without hindering the way a showrunner want to tell their story).

If the show ended there, it would be a shame, but I would be thankful the show didn't play it safe to appease the external network powers that be of whether it will get picked up or not for another season. I'd rather a great show go big or go home. And of course, it's all about the execution.

I do think the execution of the cliffhangers is important, yeah. I don't think shows should play it safe just to appease the network suits and all that (being scared of whether or not they will return for a continuation or conclusion), but I think there need to be a moderation, with the showrunners sitting down and thinking "Do we really need a cliffhanger ending here?" and maybe have one of those more or less resolved but not quite endings (with a ending stinger for instance) as to not rely too hard on a full-on cliffhanger, in which case the show is cancelled, it will be left hanging and audiences will be disappointed and feel as if they wasted their time and dedication. But yeah, a good/great show should ideally go all the way, but then again, there can be a risk in doing so these days, unless the ratings are excellent.

I understand that it's hard to keep a show alive in today's landscape when there less episodes per season to develop a story and more competition for audience's attention with platforms that can provide infinite content at a slashed budget (more shows with less seasons) but those are just the goal posts that a successful tv show are required to meet now. It's a problem in the industry for sure, but I don't think the creative storytelling should bend the knee to it as a hopeful workaround.

Yeah, as I've argued before, there's more troubles for shows to stay alive these days in the age of streaming. There's way less episodes and seasons, a lot more competition with tonnes of shows (I'd argue seriously way too many), budgetary issues, and the shows having a lot less time to impress or they will be cancelled (and popularity, great reviews & fans voicing their support cannot really save them).

I mean, sure, those are the goal posts for shows and showrunners & their storytelling shouldn't have to adapt to the situation to work around those limitations, but I think there need to be some kind of caution and moderation these days. You can still have your storytelling and serialization and whatnot without necessarily having giant cliffhanger endings: Sure, you can have them and do well if you are very much sure you're renewed and greenlit for another season or a conclusion of some kind, but if there's any sort of an unsurety and the fate of your show is up in the air or dangling from a thread (and you're feeling that you need to beg fans for support), then maybe adapt a little to the situation and not simply assume that you'll be able to continue and/or finish the story. It depends on the situation and the show.

The TV landscape has changed so much, with those more or less older network shows (like your examples) weren't in such a big danger of being cancelled as opposed to a lot of streaming shows, which get way less of a chance to make an impression both in terms of viewers and ratings, maybe especially the latter as if a show doesn't get the numbers wanted by the powers that be, it may very well get canned, even if it's a very popular and well-reviewed and/or awarded show, as the streaming services don't care for essentially anything than huge viewership numbers, which has turned into a problem (causing a lot of popular shows to end before their time).

It also depends on how much faith the studio and streaming service has in the show, but seeing as shows don't tend to go for more than 4 or 5 seasons tops, then I think the showrunners should have a goal set with the storytelling and being able to wrap it up in that time (and if getting the word that the show is being cancelled prematurely, get a chance at wrapping things up early).
 
I remember hearing that Steven Universe has "Stevenbombs" during its airing, and CN basically screwed the show over because of it

If I'm not mistaken, I think that was the show that coined the term "episode bombs" and other shows followed suit adapting to that release format, which indeed screws the affected shows and those working on it over. It also shows a lack of trust from the network in the shows (not letting it air as the creator/showrunners want but using it as some sort of marketing tactic, drawing in crowds each time when a batch is released and then create expectations in the hiatus time between that and the next batch).
 
I think the only time I've seen the Steven Universe fandom in complete agreement over anything was in how much the bomb release format sucked. You're more likely to find defenders for Ronaldo, RONALDO(!!!), over Stevenbombs.

Talking cliffhangers it's hard not to overlook what happened with Legends of Tomorrow where after one of their best ever seasons, where rather than ending it on their own terms gracefully, the showrunners went and spoiled it somewhat by playing cliffhanger chicken with the network. Turned out bringing in that other guy from Scrubs was not the genius foolproof plan to get another season as it might have seemed to be at the time.
 
If I'm not mistaken, I think that was the show that coined the term "episode bombs" and other shows followed suit adapting to that release format, which indeed screws the affected shows and those working on it over
Actually, SpongeBob was the earliest show I can think of that did the 'episode bomb' format back in 2007 where they did at least an entire week of new episodes every weekday, though it was the same thing that The Loud House does where they only aired a single segment from a normal 22 minute episode comprising of two. Though it can be argued that Steven Universe was the first show to make this the semi-standard rather than the exception, as well as having a negative impact on said shows.

I think the only time I've seen the Steven Universe fandom in complete agreement over anything was in how much the bomb release format sucked.
The fandom has agreed on other things to, like The New Lars and Rocknaldo being considered some of the show's worst episodes (and they won't get any arguments from me because both really do suck).

And speaking as someone who was there for every single Stevenbomb (got into the show literally two weeks before the first one in March of 2015), my god could some of those hiatuses afterwards be brutal!


And yeah, count me as another person who agrees that every episode ending on a cliffhanger needs to die out unless they're executed well to where it makes you want to come back the following week, or it's subtle to where you can't tell that it is one.
 
Actually, SpongeBob was the earliest show I can think of that did the 'episode bomb' format back in 2007 where they did at least an entire week of new episodes every weekday, though it was the same thing that The Loud House does where they only aired a single segment from a normal 22 minute episode comprising of two. Though it can be argued that Steven Universe was the first show to make this the semi-standard rather than the exception, as well as having a negative impact on said shows.

I think I heard of SpongeBob doing that before, but it seems like while it coined the term "episode bomb", Steven popularized it for sure (and tend to be the one show mentioned with the "Steven bomb" thing). The Loud House I was thining of too since they used to do the episode bomb concept a whole lot as well, but yeah, 'Steven' standardized it and made the release format a norm and made it popular for other shows to do it as well. It set a bad standard in terms of how shows are released (at least the shows with mainly 10-11 minute segemwnts

And yeah, count me as another person who agrees that every episode ending on a cliffhanger needs to die out unless they're executed well to where it makes you want to come back the following week, or it's subtle to where you can't tell that it is one.

There needs to be a good reason why to have cliffhanger ending, but yeah as said, otherwise they need to go when excessive. People will still come back to the show even if you don't have a lot of cliffhanger ending episodes and the studios and showrunners need to learn that.
 
I like shows that end with 'this particular adventure is over, but maybe these characters will have more adventures, we just don't see them.' vibe

stuff like Pokemon, xiaolin showdown, and the original ending to Futurama. (Devils hands)

Getting a sequel with new leads worked for Pokemon, xiaolin channel hop reboot was terrible, and Futurama being uncanceled just led to a ton of mid episodes, a few crappers, and only a handful that recaptured the highs of the fox run. Haven't seen hulurama but it sounds about the same, maybe a little less than comedy central version.
 
I would actually like it if SpongeBob did more episode bombs. Ever since season 12 they've gone back to making every season air at a snail's pace. Sudden 5-6 month breaks are part of the norm, with both 12 and 13 taking about 3 years each to air in total. And season 14 once again is going by really slow as well.
It's simply not a sustainable model if they have no real plans of stopping and wants to keep all the cast intact.
 
Bringing this back to mention something that probably many around here will disagree with me about.

I think shows aimed at adults, such as adult animation, should stop relying too much on having graphic violence, blood and gore & incessant expletives and cursing essentially all the time, often for the sake of being gratitous for the sake of it (and often the violence and gore. I really comes off as them beating their chests, being all "we big boi show!" and going for the low-hanging fruit.

I'd rather see more of a balance with a focus on more dramatic and thematic depth and themes (and be dark with the content, sure), so not having the violence and cursing not done constantly, revealing the showrunners and writers to be like immature children with a lack of creativity and trust in the audience and rather rely on shock humor (Harley Quinn really has a problem with this; I don't think throwing in gallons of blood & random mutilations/murder is funny in itself) and/or excessive cursing ('Hazbin Hotel' is terrible with this).

Even the comedy shows could learn to be more balanced and put the plot and characters first, rather drawing material (including humor) from the characters & situations rather than throwing in a ton of hyper-violence and clusters of cursing. I'd rather see well-written stories with depth and meaning that dial down the hyper-violence & expletives than having the reliance on that shock stuff. I mean, sure, shows can still have these things and have darker stuff, but I think there hould be more of a balance (and that stuff should feel justified rather than gratitious for the sake of it).

Adult-aimed shows can do much more and I think audiences are ready for that and won't automatically reject something like a well-written, well performed adult animated series with little reliance on stuff such as that gruesome violence & gore and/or F-bombs & even C-bombs flying everywhere like bullets. Give us more adult-oriented shows with dramatic material and themes & let the character interactions and situations do a lot for such aspects as the humor and drama: there can still be violence & cursing, but it should ideally serve the story, not be a crutch. These shows don't have to be defined by things like graphic gore and constant heavy cursing.
 
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Adult-aimed shows can do much more and I think audiences are ready for that and won't automatically reject something like a well-written, well performed adult animated series with little reliance on stuff such as that gruesome violence & gore and/or F-bombs & even C-bombs flying everywhere like bullets. Give us more adult-oriented shows with dramatic material and themes & let the character interactions and situations do a lot for such aspects as the humor and drama: there can still be violence & cursing, but it should ideally serve the story, not be a crutch. These shows don't have to be defined by things like graphic gore and constant heavy cursing.
I'm not so sure alas. To pick a recent example there was Scavenger's Reign. From what I gather from the creators who I follow who absolutely gushed about it this show had everything you wanted. Nothing gratuitous about it, just solid themes, drama, and... barely anyone is watching it. The only people I've heard talk about is those creators who loved it so much and really tried to help it do well. Just looking at the views on one of their channels is telling, as I'm there now to double check I remembered the name of the show right, and their video on Scavenger's Reign has a quarter of the views than a snack tasting video which is about as lowest common denominator as you can get. Comparing it to their regular cotent is even worse as then it's a tenth of the views.

And to be fair I didn't watch Scavenger's Reign either so I'm entirely aware that I'm part of the problem too.

It looked too heavy and cerebral for where I'm at mentally right now, and so I decided to give it a pass. Totally watched all of Hazbin Hotel though cause for all that show's gratuitous cursing, and many flaws, and I do mean many cause man do they speedrun so many character arcs that it's just silly, I still really liked it as the songs were good.

Arcane to be fair did pull it off, but that had the massive leg up that was the League of Legends IP, and a truly insane amount of money for both polish and marketing.
 
I'm not so sure alas. To pick a recent example there was Scavenger's Reign. From what I gather from the creators who I follow who absolutely gushed about it this show had everything you wanted. Nothing gratuitous about it, just solid themes, drama, and... barely anyone is watching it. The only people I've heard talk about is those creators who loved it so much and really tried to help it do well. Just looking at the views on one of their channels is telling, as I'm there now to double check I remembered the name of the show right, and their video on Scavenger's Reign has a quarter of the views than a snack tasting video which is about as lowest common denominator as you can get. Comparing it to their regular cotent is even worse as then it's a tenth of the views.

Well, I've heard of that show, but I don't think the lack of gratitous blood, gore and cursing is really the problem, but other factors such as not successful advertising and how there's way too many shows (a lot of them good, but many bad) these days (not to mention tonnes of streaming services) so people have to pick and choose and opt out on certain shows (and some already juggle multiple shows) so sometimes shows like this slip through the cracks and get slept on, pretty much.

Sure, lots of people go for the lowest common denominator and/or the low hanging fruit (and many love their over the top gratitous violence, gore and cursing and feel that makes an adult show feel adult and whatnot), but really, I don't think the "failure" of Scavenger's Reign is because of the lack of the abeformentioned gratitousness (not mainly), but many other factors.

And to be fair I didn't watch Scavenger's Reign either so I'm entirely aware that I'm part of the problem too. It looked too heavy and cerebral for where I'm at mentally right now, and so I decided to give it a pass.

Well, I haven't seen it either so I cannot know, but I agree this is definitely a factor (and those personal reasons are too: I think being too heavy and cerebral may definitely be a turn off, as a lot of people these day do tend to expect some "fun" out of shows. I cant help but think of an anime like FMA:B and how it really handled the balance well between dark and deep & fun and exciting).

But as said, everyone opts out of watching a certain show for some reason, maybe not because it isn't any interesting, but because of what I said about how they may slip through the cracks or just becomes something you pass on watching for some reason (maybe due to the abeformentioend about lackluster marketing and stiff competition). Or yeah, it's not a personal fit.


Totally watched all of Hazbin Hotel though cause for all that show's gratuitous cursing, and many flaws, and I do mean many cause man do they speedrun so many character arcs that it's just silly, I still really liked it as the songs were good.

I liked it fine too (songs included, even though I don't go back to those), but those massive flaws such as the terrible pacing and annoyingly constant cursing (I mean, even a show like that doesn't need to have F-Bombs, S-bombs, B-bombs & the odd C-bomb in every other line, lol; when I got to episode 5, I think, and there was just two F words within the first 10 minutes I felt it was easier to get invested) do get in the way of greatness. They should've kept it simple and focused on the hotel and its denizens instead of ending up like feeling like a speedrun of two 20-episode seasons (which was kind of painful; so many things rushed through).

Arcane to be fair did pull it off, but that had the massive leg up that was the League of Legends IP, and a truly insane amount of money for both polish and marketing.

Yeah, that is a great example of a solid adult animated show that balances well. It's dark and heavy but doesn't go too far and the violence is handled well, plus surprisingly little swearing. More adult animation should look toward it for inspiration (and in terms of adult animated sitcoms, I'd argue that 'Lower Decks' should be an inspiration in terms of how to not go too far in terms of violence and cursing).
 
Saw someone post this on a Discord Server, I still have yet to read the article myself, but I am curious what your guys thoughts on it is

Even though the article is locked for me, this too I agree on as a trend I'd like to see less of. As I've argued in another thread which is all about that issue of shorter seasons and how they don't necessarily are better:


While I get that production costs and costs of hiring actors have gone up and full 20 to 26 episode seasons are unfeasible, nowadays I feel the reliance on 8-10 episode seasons is starting to show its problems, either in the way of not having the storyline adapting to the short length (causing a rush of story, plot and plot points to fit all within 10 episodes or less) but also to things like the loss of great standalone, "filler" episodes, much of which made shows so good (I think that a whole lot of fan favorite episodes of various shows would never ever be made these days, since a lot of those were so-called "filler"). I definitely think there should be a compromise of 15-16 eps a season.
 
I guess the damsel in distress trope? but everybody knows that one. But another trope is the ''hero winning the girl plot'' where the female character is treated as a reward for the journey or adventure our male protagonist has just gone through; it just feels like objectifying the female character (but that could just be me thinking that). This is also true with the damsel in distress trope, as the female character can literally be switched out with a jar of cookies and not much would change, just that the hero would be trying to get back his jar of cookies.
 
@Meko, I don't think those are modern TV trends, but more like general tropes/clichés.

I'll create a separate thread for least favorite tropes (which I have been thinking of) a bit later.
 
Well, I've heard of that show, but I don't think the lack of gratitous blood, gore and cursing is really the problem, but other factors such as not successful advertising and how there's way too many shows (a lot of them good, but many bad) these days (not to mention tonnes of streaming services) so people have to pick and choose and opt out on certain shows (and some already juggle multiple shows) so sometimes shows like this slip through the cracks and get slept on, pretty much.
Heh, I wasn't saying that Scavenger's Reign needed blood, gore, and cursing to get attention :D

You were saying that a 'a well-written, well performed adult animated series with little reliance on stuff' wouldn't be rejected, and I gave an example of one that was hence my point that quality isn't enough these days. As you note people pick and choose, and it had barely any kind of advertising or hype which really didn't help.

For another discussion for the thread I was torn between posting this in the Star Trek thread or here.

I listened to the Greatest Trek podcast wrap up of Discovery. I skipped most of their episodes on that show for reasons much discussed in the Star Trek thread that we don't need to rehash here. but figured an overview could possibly be of interest to see how they thought about it in the end.

One bit that really annoyed me was them being overly appologetic over how a listener's comment about how the show is too dark and that you can't hear the dialogue which they said wasn't a problem because every new show is like that these days. I feel that's not unlike the old would you jump off a bridge if all your friends were doing it take. There was at least an interesting discussion as to the whys, that unlike when you had a boom mic a fair distance from the actors they had to properly ennunciate to be heard. Now people use tiny mics hidden in their costumes combined with the sound engineers only using the highest end systems when in reality people will watch it on anything from private cinemas to their smart phones. This was something that music record makers used to at least try to account for, but not anymore apparently.
 
Heh, I wasn't saying that Scavenger's Reign needed blood, gore, and cursing to get attention :D

You were saying that a 'a well-written, well performed adult animated series with little reliance on stuff' wouldn't be rejected, and I gave an example of one that was hence my point that quality isn't enough these days. As you note people pick and choose, and it had barely any kind of advertising or hype which really didn't help.

Yeah, well I didn't say you didn't have any points, as obviously you do. And it was a good example of my point.

Obviously that show doesn't need that stuff to get attention, but yeah, quality isn't always automatically enough due to the abeformentioned such as poor to non-existant advertising, competition from boatloads of other shows, etc., leading to a lot of promising shows never getting the attention they deserve, leaving more room for shows to go for the lazy low-hanging fruits to draw in a crowd.

For another discussion for the thread I was torn between posting this in the Star Trek thread or here.

I listened to the Greatest Trek podcast wrap up of Discovery. I skipped most of their episodes on that show for reasons much discussed in the Star Trek thread that we don't need to rehash here. but figured an overview could possibly be of interest to see how they thought about it in the end.

One bit that really annoyed me was them being overly appologetic over how a listener's comment about how the show is too dark and that you can't hear the dialogue which they said wasn't a problem because every new show is like that these days. I feel that's not unlike the old would you jump off a bridge if all your friends were doing it take. There was at least an interesting discussion as to the whys, that unlike when you had a boom mic a fair distance from the actors they had to properly ennunciate to be heard. Now people use tiny mics hidden in their costumes combined with the sound engineers only using the highest end systems when in reality people will watch it on anything from private cinemas to their smart phones. This was something that music record makers used to at least try to account for, but not anymore apparently.

I think that fits here just as well as in the Star Trek thread, as it is also something I'm bothered with. And I don't see how anyone could be completely apolegetic about such things.

The dark cinematography and/or low-lighting of moddern live-action shows is certainly one big issue (have seen way too many complaints about that so really I do agree: Shows must get better when they light shows so that people won't have to turn up brightness; great lighting is something that is there without anyone having to fiddle with the brightness controls on the TV), but I'm definitely thinking of how dialogue tend to be hard to hear sometimes on some shows, such as 'Star Trek Discovery', with a lot of people speaking really low, with mumbles or whispering (even when not really apt at all, just coming off as a poor creative choice).

I too have read about how nowadays every actor wear a tiny mic so they don't have to properly enunciate: While it is great that they don't have to have some cumbersome boom mic, there's way too much of a reliance on the tiny mic attached to their clothes, isn't there? I mean, just because you wear one of those doesn't mean you have to whisper or speak in really low volumes, plus it is TV and not real life (and the whisper-speak do feel overdone in a show like 'Discovery' to the point of being unrealistic) and all audiences should be able to hear what they are saying (even without subtitles), with there being many hearing-impaired people out there.

And yeah, it really does feel like the sound engineers only think of the more high end surround systems with that choice and not those with normal TV speakers (I think I've seen someone else point that out before). So this really do need to get better; have the actors enunciate and speak clearly even though they wear personal mics (but obviously not too loud as to cause static or interference in their mic); there is no reason for a lot of mumbling and whispering other than when the story/plot really call for it on occasion.
 
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That you have to wait forever for so little and the excuse being quality over quantity. I don't want to wait over 2 years for like 4 (out of 8) really great episodes. I prefer getting 44 episodes in 2 years and maybe 6 of them being standouts, but still getting to watch many good episodes (and 6 is still more than 4...).
 
Thought of another bad kind of trend: Some shows need to stop killing off characters for shock value and nothing else, alternatively writing them out for essentially no good reason. Instead they need to seriously think and consider "Can we utilize the character further in later stories rather than killing them off, maybe?", but nope, a lot of characters go wasted due to to all of this, many before actually getting to do anything, leaving one very disappointed. Sometimes it kind of feels like pure laziness of the writers, not knowing what to do with a certain character.
 
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Rushing to get to the finale, thus cramming everything into a smaller number of episodes and completely ruining the ending. See: Game of Thrones, The Umbrella Academy, a few others
 
Rushing to get to the finale, thus cramming everything into a smaller number of episodes and completely ruining the ending. See: Game of Thrones, The Umbrella Academy, a few others

Feels like this is so tightly tied to the big issues of how TV show seasons only being 8 to 10 episodes these days & the showrunners and writers not adjusting the story to fit these epiodes but being intent on cramming the full story (that would be more at home at around 20 episodes normally) into merely 10 episodes, having to make compromises in terms of pacing, that typically get thrown out the window the closer they get to the ending of the season. Feels liek this is a massive issue so please, TV showrunners & writers, do rewrite the story to fit in a smaller amount of episodes in a satisfying way instead of cramming 22 episodes worth of plot into just 10 something episodes.
 
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