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Patches O'houlihan

Patches O'houlihan

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As many of you are aware for the past few years, it was discovered I was drawing some rather disturbing Simpsons porn a while back. No, I'm not denying I did it, but I haven't drawn any for nearly 3 years and I'm done drawing any Simpsons / Futurama fan art. However, what I should've said in 2014 when people learned of my drawings is WHY I did it in the first place, which is because I was in dire need of money.

In 2011, I needed a $30K operation to remove a lypoma (tumor) from my neck (as you can see the scar in my pic on the left side of my neck) and I was in a panic since my crappy insurance wasn't going to cover much of it. My savings were running out and after the surgery I was out of work for over a month and some people on a cartoon erotica message board and previously contacted me and asked me if I did commissions and I did some art for some $$$. Combined with me being at the lowest point in my life as I had to sell my house and get a tiny apartment. By 2012, I was drawing this stuff because I felt like shit and didn't care if I got caught or not. It wasn't until early 2013 when I had that moment of "why am I doing this?" and then I stopped. I tried to get some sites that had my drawings to remove them, but even though they were happy to accept them, they pretended like I didn't exist when I wanted them removed. I didn't want to bore anyone with my life story, but recent events here made me have to say this.

But all I can say is I'm sorry I offended anyone and I apologize to the staff of the NHC for having to deal with the fall out relating to me and this mess.
 
That's a very nice gesture, but getting them removed would not have helped you deal with trolls at all. If they are dedicated enough, they would've downloaded it onto their computer before it was removed or have found a copy somewhere afterwards and have even more motivation to bring it up given they know for certain you are ashamed of it :-(.
 
it's a good sob story and all but it's really hard to feel sympathy, i mean surely there were other ways to come up with money than to draw morally reprehensible and borderline illegal fanart. it's like saying you only shoplift because you can't afford the products otherwise, it's still wrong.

not sure what type of responses you were hoping for with this thread, but i really think it's hard to be sympathetic for you, even if you realize what you drew was wrong now.
 
just draw furry porn or something you don't need to make it about kids to survive
 
^ This. Even doing private commissions of some dodgy stuff is better than popularising yourself as a self-motivated source for it. At least then you can block further requests and not have people know it was you / your internet handle associated with it. I don't know why anyone would seek a reputation for that kind of thing, beyond being suicidal anyway, which I'm not saying lightly. Furries pay well, if you're an even half decent artist. Reading the OP I did wonder if it was kid stuff. Please let it not have been kid stuff.
 
I may be being too harsh, or not harsh enough! I'm pretty sure I'm being stalked right now so not in the best frame of mind.
 
super nintendo chalmers said:
it's a good sob story and all but it's really hard to feel sympathy, i mean surely there were other ways to come up with money than to draw morally reprehensible and borderline illegal fanart. it's like saying you only shoplift because you can't afford the products otherwise, it's still wrong.

not sure what type of responses you were hoping for with this thread, but i really think it's hard to be sympathetic for you, even if you realize what you drew was wrong now.
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1). shoplifting is illegal and porn isn't
2). it's more like saying you only shoplift the food you need to survive because you can't afford it (in some world where shoplifting isn't illegal, but just morally questionable).
3). have you ever been in a similar situation where you needed 30k for surgery? If not I think you can get down off your high horse
4). you're welcome to your opinion but I think it's a bit of a dick move to voice it in this thread when Jake's trying to apologise for something that he didn't need to apologise for. I mean he drew some porn, that was put on websites for adults who are looking for said porn. Who's the victim?

I hope you've fully recovered Jake and as far as I'm concerned you've nothing to apologise for. Your health is more important than any of this.
 
Well that makes it sound like he just drew Simpsons characters fuckin, but this was pretty disgustin shit, and it makes me think you probably don't have much idea what he did make. As far as I'm concerned this apology was needed (it comes too late but whatever, at LEAST it happened), that art was reprehensible.
 
I think the main difference between the legality of porn is if it involves children. It's being implied that the characters drawn were child characters, although I can't say for certain since I haven't seen the pictures.
 
maybe my shoplifting analogy wasn't the best but i don't feel i was on a high horse or anything either. he apologized, good for him, but i still won't give him any sympathy for this nor do i think anyone really should. it's shitty i suppose, but so it goes.

also i think it should've been rather clear that it involved simpsons kids, you don't get thousands of dollars for drawing vanilla simpsons porn, that kind of dough comes from a specific product.
 
I didn't really start this thread to expect/get sympathy, but to clear the air. I'm not proud of it and I can't undraw it, but it's on the internet forever. That's my problem now. People should know I don't draw porn, anymore and I drew it out of severe money issues, not out of being bored, whatever. I was in a pretty bad place for almost a year and unless you've been there, you don't know what it's like to feel you have no one around to help with the $. I could've kept going, but chose not to.
 
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super nintendo chalmers said:
maybe my shoplifting analogy wasn't the best but i don't feel i was on a high horse or anything either. he apologized, good for him, but i still won't give him any sympathy for this nor do i think anyone really should. it's shitty i suppose, but so it goes.

also i think it should've been rather clear that it involved simpsons kids, you don't get thousands of dollars for drawing vanilla simpsons porn, that kind of dough comes from a specific product.
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like involves children characters that are still children or children characters grown up?

If it's the latter then my point kinda still stands, but if it's the former I'd like to apologise to SNC. I still think that Jake did what he did out of desperation and he wouldn't have done this otherwise
 
I agree that it's a seriously shitty situation to get into and that he probably wasn't thinking clearly, but he still crossed a line. It's good that he apologised.
 
I'm not gonna act like you deserve any sympathy on this one, but at the same time I don't feel like you being called out in such a confrontational and nasty manner in those other threads in the Simpsons section the other night was the right way to go about discussing this either ( [MENTION=45538]handsome_devil[/MENTION] crossed the line in his handling of it to such degrees that I regretted my own jokey post in that thread because of it).

A decent chunk of us are aware of the artwork you've published outside of NHC for quite some time now. It's not like this is the first time it's been brought up. There are some members on NHC who clearly don't want you around because they take issue with the content you've produced, and personally I can completely understand why it doesn't sit well with them and why they would feel the way that they do.

I'm sorry life dealt you a shitty hand but I can't in all good conciousness say that what you did was morally right. As far as the legality of it goes, well, I'll let any interested parties peruse this in their own time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors#United_States

I can also appreciate that a matter like this being brought up creates a massive headache for the moderators, because ultimately, the offending content was not posted by Patches on this board. That being said it's not like they didn't take him to task for this in the past in spite of that. If memory serves me well he was issued the ultimatum that he either remove said content or step down from his position as a moderator at the time. Now, my memory is a bit fuzzy on how all of that played out, since he's obviously not a mod at the time of typing this, but my understanding was that he fought to keep his artwork online, then removed it, and sometime later it was uploaded again. I'm unsure if said content was uploaded by Patches himself or if its been redistributed by other people since nothing truly goes away when you put it online, but I do think anything that was uploaded on his own account(s) should be taken down if he's truly sorry for this.

xander said:
like involves children characters that are still children or children characters grown up?

If it's the latter then my point kinda still stands, but if it's the former I'd like to apologise to SNC. I still think that Jake did what he did out of desperation and he wouldn't have done this otherwise
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From what I have the misfortune of remembering it involved Lisa and Jessica Lovejoy as the kids they normally are in the show, not some sort of aged up variation.
 
Shaunbadia said:
I can also appreciate that a matter like this being brought up creates a massive headache for the moderators, because ultimately, the offending content was not posted by Patches on this board. That being said it's not like they didn't take him to task for this in the past in spite of that. If memory serves me well he was issued the ultimatum that he either remove said content or step down from his position as a moderator at the time. Now, my memory is a bit fuzzy on how all of that played out, since he's obviously not a mod at the time of typing this, but my understanding was that he fought to keep his artwork online, then removed it, and sometime later it was uploaded again. I'm unsure if said content was uploaded by Patches himself or if its been redistributed by other people since nothing truly goes away when you put it online, but I do think anything that was uploaded on his own account(s) should be taken down if he's truly sorry for this.
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From what I recall as being part of the "investigation": Jake asked the sites to take it down, but they refused. Since he could not get them removed, we had to demod him since we did not want somebody representing the site to be attached to something like this. However he was not banned since he did not post these drawings on the board itself.
 
Surely anything posted directly by him could also be removed by him, could it not? I'm not saying these things don't get saved by other people and posted elsewhere but perhaps [MENTION=6]Patches O'houlihan[/MENTION] himself could shed a little extra light on that for us. Forgive me for my scepticism but I'm just having a hard time seeing why this wouldn't be possible unless he was submitting stuff privately to be published by someone else on his behalf.
 
Well, as Ryan explained, them not wanting someone with ties to such things representing the site is understandable. As for the people here who currently take issue with you, well, that's just your cross to bear, I suppose. I'm not saying everyone should be giving you shit non-stop 24/7 for stuff from the past, but I don't think anyone could be blamed for being uncomfortable engaging you in any sort of discussion as a result of it.
 
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