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silentmike 09-14-2004 01:52 PM

There is no way of making sense of the simpsons timeline
 
Ok I’m confused

I watched the new Artie Ziff episode "the Ziff who came to dinner" and it said artie lost his money in the 90's but it was only 2 or so years ago that we saw him last rich post 2000.

So I’ve been thinking that those people who say stuff like, Bart should be 20 odd, I say "what are you talking about!"

Originally homer and Marge met in the 70's, and then Bart and Lisa was bourn in the 80's. Then it changed when Bart was 5 in 1995 and Lisa was 2. That just proved that comment wrong.

Homer has been a bunch of different ages throw out the series, from something like 30-39 and back again. Who knows how old Marge is?

Bart has had the one 10th birthday on the show (if you don't count THOH3 which doesn't count cause its a what if episode), Lisa has had two 8th Birthdays, and you'd think Maggie would of said at least a second word by now.

We've seen the family skip forward 6 months, have about 5-7 Christmases, 2 different futures, celebrated New years (including 2000), and witness the end of the world altogether.

So even the most smartest of people couldn't make sense of the Simpsons crazy timeline. God bless The Simpsons may they never make sense.

Any thoughts?

Homer Jay 09-14-2004 01:53 PM

Stop watching the show. You don't get it.

Larson Something 09-14-2004 02:09 PM

I wouldn't suggest never watching the show again. However, stop thinking about all the stuff in your post except this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by silentmike
So even the most smartest of people couldn't make sense of the Simpsons crazy timeline. God bless The Simpsons may they never make sense.


Steve Allen 09-14-2004 03:00 PM

Just do what they say.

Glumplich 09-14-2004 08:06 PM

I agree with the OP here. Indeed, if there are eventually more than 365 episodes with Bart ten years old in all of them, there'd be problems indeed.

Hydro 09-14-2004 09:39 PM

Quote:

I agree with the OP here. Indeed, if there are eventually more than 365 episodes with Bart ten years old in all of them, there'd be problems indeed.
No, there won't be. Why is this "they don't age" thing so hard for people to accept?

dantheman 09-15-2004 12:54 AM

Because Bart was born in 1980 and my friend was born the year after he was, now he is 23 but Bart is still ten WTF?! If they wanted the charcters to stay the same age they should not have told us the years in which they were born.

Steve Allen 09-15-2004 02:38 AM

As said in a DVD commentary:
"If they age, they'll just lose some of their magic."

Kamp Krusty Kamper 09-15-2004 03:41 AM

There is also a simple, three word anwser:
It's a cartoon.

dantheman 09-15-2004 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Allen
As said in a DVD commentary:
"If they age, they'll just lose some of their magic."

No they wouldnt, if anything they would GAIN more magic. Think about it, Bart as a twenty year old he would have a job wouldnt he? Think of all the jokes that could be made about it. Also the stories would be more bileveable I mean, an EIGHT year old girl coverting to Buddisim?! Now if she were eighteen.... Maggie could be fleshed out more as a person rather than a comedy prop. Sure it would be risky, sure they would lose SOME magic but they would still be Bart and Lisa, Homer would still be an idiot if he were 40 of 50. Marge would be even more naggy if she had two grown up childeren to worry about. Bart would still pull pranks, Lisa would still be smart. The characters would be diffrent but that happens with age. With age, comes wisdom and understanding.

Cole 09-15-2004 04:24 AM

The beauty of a cartoon is that the characters don't have to age. You discuss the potential of more story lines, but think of all the classic episodes that would not have been able to exist if Bart had been, say, 18 at the time.

Sloppy Jimbo LXIX 09-15-2004 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dantheman
Because Bart was born in 1980 and my friend was born the year after he was, now he is 23 but Bart is still ten WTF?! If they wanted the charcters to stay the same age they should not have told us the years in which they were born.

Well, the reason they chose to set the story of the first flashback episode ("The Way We Was") in the 1970s was because it provided the writers with the ability to satirize high school life from that era. It gave the episode a level of substance and believability that otherwise would've been lacking if they were more ambiguous with the story's timeframe. Also at that time, the producers had no idea the show would last as long as it has, and therefore were far less mindful of the repercussions of cementing the characters' past in a specific era. "I Married Marge" and all following flashback episodes have merely followed the continuity rules established by "The Way We Was".

Dr Zaius 09-15-2004 06:23 AM

The Simpsons were there when Michael Jackson was black to modern stuff like Paris Hilton etc. That's a span of over ten years, and they haven't aged a bit. It's something I find interesting but I accept the whole "they don't age" thing quickly.

dantheman 09-15-2004 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cole
The beauty of a cartoon is that the characters don't have to age. You discuss the potential of more sotry lines, but think of all the classic episodes that would not have been able to exist if Bart had been, say, 18 at the time.

True, but there are a great deal of things that Bart has done that no real ten year old would do. Bisides, I was referring to the characters aging in a spin off [Dodges tomatoes] dispite what you may think, a Simpsons spin off would not suck because it would still have the writers from the origenal sieris. And if it was not too gimiky and dealt with the change well then there is no reason to dislike the idea. It could run concurrent to the Simpsons so other fans wont complain. So people like you who do not want the Simpsons to age can need never wach it.

Butters 09-15-2004 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dantheman
True, but there are a great deal of things that Bart has done that no real ten year old would do. Bisides, I was referring to the characters aging in a spin off [Dodges tomatoes].

Believe me, those aren't tomatoes and are in fact time bombs, set to blow you up before you say one more thing about how you want the show to "make more sense".

I find how the Simpsons don't age to be the key to it living for so long. I mean, people wouldn't want to watch a show about a 18-year-old smart woman, a 20-year-old punk, a 12-yeard-old girl, a 46-year-old house-wife and a 50-year-old man who gets fired every week and embarks on painfilled adventures.

Postmaster 09-15-2004 10:00 AM

Its funny I bet if they did age the characters Dantheman would be first to say, the show should be stopped because their running out of ideas.

silentmike 09-15-2004 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dantheman
True, but there are a great deal of things that Bart has done that no real ten year old would do.


Yeah I guess when you're 10 for that long you would start doing non kid things. I like the way the writers have made the kids more like kids this season, Bart and Lisa being scared of a horror movie instead of just being fine with it, was good. In the Bart wants what it wants episode I thought it was weird that a 10 year old was talking about love, but then again I guess kids seem to imitated things they see on TV with out knowing what they mean.

Crotis Jivefunk 09-15-2004 07:31 PM

Season 14's timeline was messed up. Here's the time period a few episodes took place during:

-DABF20: September
-EABF01: During Mardi Gras
-EABF07: August or Septmember
-EABF08: They mention that it's May
-EABF09: January? (I think this is when senators are sworn in)
-EABF13: Christmas

In short, cartoons don't have to make sense.

http://www.actionfig.com/simpsons/im...g/ozmodiar.jpg

samsa 09-15-2004 07:40 PM

of course, Gazoo can give us some laughs, but the two Homers joke is superior.

If you age the characters they will lose charm, you have to write some wacky plots so the kids (now 21 year olds) can stay in the house (Bud and Kelly in Married with Children).

Necromancer 09-15-2004 08:15 PM

IT'S A CARTOON.

They don't have to age. The show doesn't have to work chronologically. Just stop thinking about it. Oh, and dantheman, stop posting.

Nick Simpson 09-15-2004 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Necromancer
IT'S A CARTOON.

They don't have to age. The show doesn't have to work chronologically. Just stop thinking about it. Oh, and dantheman, stop posting.

This is possibly a logical answere, I give you props for that.

Moose of Doom! 09-15-2004 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dantheman
No they wouldnt, if anything they would GAIN more magic.

Now that there's a classic quote.

And changing characters' ages just so they can have new plots is a cheap and unoriginal way of trying to continue the show (Rugrats All Growed Up anyone?).

Nick Simpson 09-15-2004 08:40 PM

I give you credit for quoting that comment/post. Good job :thumbsup

dantheman 09-16-2004 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moose of Doom!
Now that there's a classic quote.

And changing characters' ages just so they can have new plots is a cheap and unoriginal way of trying to continue the show (Rugrats All Growed Up anyone?).

I agree that they should not have done that with the Rugrats, the whole point of that show was that the babys could talk. Take that away and you are left with a stupid teen show. The Simpsons, however are nothing like the Rugrats as anyone who has seen it would testify, ergo a spin off with the characters older would still have the spirit of the original show. The reason AGU failed was because it undermined the whole point of the original, talking babies, but a Simpsons spin off would not undermine the original. It would still be about a family, it would have the same people just differnt ages.

Steve Allen 09-16-2004 03:37 AM

Oh well... But I'm still for my post up there...

vox 09-16-2004 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dantheman
I agree that they should not have done that with the Rugrats, the whole point of that show was that the babys could talk. Take that away and you are left with a stupid teen show. The Simpsons, however are nothing like the Rugrats as anyone who has seen it would testify, ergo a spin off with the characters older would still have the spirit of the original show. The reason AGU failed was because it undermined the whole point of the original, talking babies, but a Simpsons spin off would not undermine the original. It would still be about a family, it would have the same people just differnt ages.

The entire point of Maggie's character would be undermined. The only reason Bart can get away with some of his more malicious pranks without us hating him, his childlike innocence, would be gone. And I dunno about you, but a lot of the reason that I like Lisa is for the same reason, her childlike innocence. That's 3/5 main characters altered in some major fashion. It's not just a change in age.

Also, characters like Abe and Burns would be dead.

Glumplich 09-16-2004 05:39 PM

I think that dantheman has a point here. In some of the Scully/Jean era episodes, Lisa is characterized as an eighteen-year-old anyway, so what point is there in keeping her eight?

Back during the April strike some NHC members proposed that the Simpsons as we know it end immediately and a spin-off with the family older. In fact, some people have written fanscripts (Maggie and Eric, anyone?) about this.

Now that the strike is over this probably isn't a good idea right now.

vox 09-16-2004 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glumplich
I think that dantheman has a point here. In some of the Scully/Jean era episodes, Lisa is characterized as an eighteen-year-old anyway, so what point is there in keeping her eight?

Can you honestly say that characterization is more compelling and appealing than her normal one though? And besides, you can't justify aging the entire cast based on one character.

The "Urban" Lenny 09-17-2004 08:45 AM

It's a cartoon It dosen't have to make sense. The Characters don't age, what's so hard about understanding that! I mean think about it the character features an entire world of yellow freaks with 4 fingers does that make sense. NO! It dosen't have to because it's a cartoon. It's the absurdity of the show that makes the show great!

M Prower 09-17-2004 11:52 AM

Why do people always target the Simpsons on this not-aging thing? There's plenty of other cartoons where the characters never age.


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